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| 1712 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 1713 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [PreSmiley] Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 1714 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [PreSmiley] Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 1715 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
the 1965 draft is underway |
| 1716 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds are on the clock |
| 1717 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [PreSmiley] Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 1718 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
Reds take |
| 1719 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Tigers are on the clock |
| 1720 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 1721 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Tigers select Johnny Podres |
| 1722 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Yankees are on the clock |
| 1723 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
RE: [PreSmiley] Tigers select Johnny Podres |
| 1724 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
NY Yankees selects...st louis up.... |
| 1725 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Cardinals are on the clock |
| 1726 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Michael Rescigno |
Re: [PreSmiley] Cardinals are on the clock |
| 1727 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Dodgers are on the clock |
| 1728 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
LAN pick |
| 1729 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins are on the clock |
| 1730 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Kevin Batson |
Re: [PreSmiley] LAN pick |
| 1731 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Orioles are on the clock |
| 1732 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
Orioles take ROBIN ROBERTS |
| 1733 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
2 teams pick; Pirates are on the clock |
| 1734 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
2 teams pick; Giants are on the clock |
| 1735 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
[PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock |
| 1736 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
4 teams pick; Senators are on the clock |
| 1737 |
Oct 5, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Washington Senators 2nd round pick |
| 1738 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
NYN selects Frank Malzone |
| 1739 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds are on the clock |
| 1740 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
1965 files updated |
| 1741 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: Washington Senators 2nd round pick |
| 1742 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Washington Senators 2nd round pick |
| 1743 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Tigers are on the clock |
| 1744 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
1965 files |
| 1745 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
1965 Draft Page |
| 1746 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Tigers select Don Demeter |
| 1747 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
2 teams pick; Cardinals are on the clock |
| 1748 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Michael Rescigno |
Cardinals select |
| 1749 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins are on the clock |
| 1750 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Kevin Batson |
Re: [PreSmiley] Twins are on the clock |
| 1751 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Orioles are on the clock |
| 1752 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
Orioles select Jackie Brandt |
| 1753 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox are on the clock |
| 1754 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: White Sox are on the clock |
| 1755 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
2 teams pick; CHA is up again |
| 1756 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: 2 teams pick; CHA is up again |
| 1757 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
4 teams pick; Senators are on the clock |
| 1758 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
1965 files updated |
| 1759 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [PreSmiley] Senators 3rd round pick |
| 1760 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [PreSmiley] Senators 3rd round pick |
| 1761 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [PreSmiley] Mets 3rd round pick- Russ Nixon |
| 1762 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [PreSmiley] Mets 3rd round pick- Russ Nixon |
| 1763 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [PreSmiley] Senators 3rd round pick |
| 1764 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [PreSmiley] Washington 3rd Round pick |
| 1765 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
NYN 4th round pick = EDDIE BRESSOUD, SS |
| 1766 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds are on the clock |
| 1767 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
reds |
| 1768 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
4 teams pick, Dodgers are on the clock |
| 1769 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
both leagues are on hold |
| 1770 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Question |
| 1771 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
Re: 4 teams pick, Dodgers are on the clock |
| 1772 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
I'm back! |
| 1773 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
1965 draft resumes; 2 teams pick; Orioles are on the clock |
| 1774 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
BAA selects Ray Sadecki |
| 1775 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Gary Brown |
[PreSmiley] Boston selects Rollie Sheldon |
| 1776 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
3 teams pick; White Sox are on the clock |
| 1777 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Fw: [SmileyList] Openings in current-year simulation league |
| 1778 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
White Sox pick |
| 1779 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Giants are on the clock |
| 1780 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock |
| 1781 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock |
| 1782 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock |
| 1783 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
2 teams pick; Senators are on the clock |
| 1784 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [PreSmiley] 2 teams pick; Senators are on the clock |
| 1785 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Mets select Ken Harrelson, CINCINNATI is up |
| 1786 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds are on the clock |
| 1787 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Question II |
| 1788 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
Reds |
| 1789 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Tigers are on the clock |
| 1790 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Tigers select Galen Cisco, NYA is up |
| 1791 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Yankees are on the clock |
| 1792 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
1965 files updated |
| 1793 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
Yankees selects, Cards list is up, with the Dodgers to follow.... |
| 1794 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
2 teams pick; Dodgers are on the clock |
| 1795 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins are on the clock |
| 1796 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Kevin Batson |
Re: [PreSmiley] Twins are on the clock |
| 1797 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Orioles are on the clock |
| 1798 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
Orioles pick GARY GEIGER |
| 1799 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
3 teams pick; White Sox are on the clock |
| 1800 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [PreSmiley] 3 teams pick; White Sox pick Alex Johnson |
| 1801 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Giants are on the clock |
| 1802 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock |
| 1803 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
3 teams pick; Mets are on the clock |
| 1804 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Mets select Aubrey Gatewood |
| 1805 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds are on the clock |
| 1806 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
Reds |
| 1807 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Yankees are on the clock |
| 1808 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
NY Yankees selection.... |
| 1809 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
2 teams pick; Dodgers are on the clock |
| 1810 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
RE: [PreSmiley] 2 teams pick; Dodgers are on the clock |
| 1811 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Orioles are on the clock |
| 1812 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
Orioles select Phil Regan |
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Message #: 1712
Message from: Steve Dewing
Sent: Oct 3, 2004
Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons
I will give my .02 and please keep in mind that it's just my opinion and I feel it makes for a more interesting league if matters like these can be discussed without too much rancor. As far as the Burroughs trade goes I don't think it matters one whit what the real-life trade is. The reason it even comes into play is because the Dick Allen Rule makes it advantageous for teams to involve the same players if possible. Personally I wouldn't have traded Burroughs for Devine because I would rather suffer the minor loss (not having Devine next year) for the major benefit for the league of having Burroughs available next year in the draft and the small possibility that I could get him back then (or Gary Matthews, whichever guy ATN chose not to claim). I'm not claiming any moral high ground here, I'm sure if I was the ATN manager I would have taken the deal without reservation. I just wouldn't have had the "seeds" to propose it. Since you brought it up I feel obligated to opine on the Robinson/Pappas trade in PreSMILEY... My understanding is that you offered Pappas straight up for Robinson. I remember my brother asking me about it and I suggested that since Robinson (a twelve year player, 1956-1967at the time, and a 8 time all-star) was obviously a bit better than Pappas (1958-1967 2-time all-star) that maybe he could get a little more for Robby. When he suggested Pappas AND Jim McGlothlin (1967 one-year wonder) you responded by offering Pappas OR McGlothlin. His offer was reasonable and yours was not. So please let's not try to perpetuate the idea any longer that he "balked" at a reasonable offer. Anyway, I checked out the history of the real-life trade and from what I pieced together it was very interesting. Days before the trade the Orioles sent Jackie Brandt to PHN for Jack Baldschun ( a nice reliever who probably will go in the 3rd round of the 1965 pre SMILEY draft) and sent Norm Siebern to California for Dick Simpson. They then sent Pappas, Simpson, and Baldschun to the Reds for Robinson. It most definitely was not Pappas for Robinson straight up. What's done is done however and Baltimore's and Cincy's loss is the league's gain. Robinson and Pappas will go in the top 4 and it made the draft probably as strong as any we'll see in PreSMILEY. Now Larry, as far as Texas goes I would think that they are in a wonderful position to benefit from claims and the DAR.There were alot of "name" players passing through Texas in the late 70s for sure. Zisk, Oliver, C Washington, Bonds, Staub, Horton, Matlack, Alexander, Ellis, and Medich to name a few off-hand. You can't convince me with your "woe is me" statement. Although we disagree on most things I do consider you to be a very savvy GM in both leagues, except for the previously discussed mis-step on the Robinson deal. I will admit though that without the trading of draft picks (!) and the with the ability to "claim" it does change the trading landscape quite a bit so I may be a little out of step with SMILEY which is why I posted the "opinion" disclaimer to start this message. Regards, Steve SMILEY Cardinals Pre-SMILEY Tigers and Mets ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [SmileyList] Trade reasons
The Rangers lose Burroughs (who has stunk for us so far in Smiley) at the end of 1976. In 77 he goes to the Braves. The actual ML trade on December 9, 1976 was Burroughs for Ken Henderson, Dave May, Carl Morton, Roger Moret, and Adrian Devine. In 1977 Texas had their best record in history 94-68. We won't have another chance to contend until 1996 when the Rangers were 92-70 in real life. So with the Smiley Braves only owning Devine and Morton and Morton retiring after the 1976 season, this was the best we could do. In PreSmiley I tried to make the Pappas for Frank Robinson deal, but the other owner balked and now we can stuff both of those guys, you know where. Devine will give us 106 useful innings next year and Burroughs goes to the other league. When you have a poor franchise like this one, you aim for certain years when you can take a shot. __________________________________________________
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