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# Date Sender Subject 1720 Oct 4, 2004   Steve Bivens   Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons 1721 Oct 4, 2004   Steve Dewing   Tigers select Johnny Podres 1722 Oct 4, 2004   Alan Boodman   Yankees are on the clock 1723 Oct 4, 2004   Gary Dewing   RE: [PreSmiley] Tigers select Johnny Podres 1724 Oct 4, 2004   Billy Vanson   NY Yankees selects...st louis up.... 1725 Oct 4, 2004   Alan Boodman   Cardinals are on the clock 1726 Oct 4, 2004   Michael Rescigno   Re: [PreSmiley] Cardinals are on the clock 1727 Oct 4, 2004   Alan Boodman   Dodgers are on the clock 1728 Oct 4, 2004   Dave Jackson   LAN pick 1729 Oct 5, 2004   Alan Boodman   Twins are on the clock 1730 Oct 5, 2004   Kevin Batson   Re: [PreSmiley] LAN pick 1731 Oct 5, 2004   Alan Boodman   Orioles are on the clock 1732 Oct 5, 2004   Gary Dewing   Orioles take ROBIN ROBERTS 1733 Oct 5, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; Pirates are on the clock 1734 Oct 5, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; Giants are on the clock 1735 Oct 5, 2004   Darren Dawson   [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock 1736 Oct 5, 2004   Alan Boodman   4 teams pick; Senators are on the clock 1737 Oct 5, 2004   Steve Bivens   Washington Senators 2nd round pick 1738 Oct 6, 2004   Steve Dewing   NYN selects Frank Malzone 1739 Oct 6, 2004   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock 1740 Oct 6, 2004   Alan Boodman   1965 files updated 1741 Oct 6, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Re: Washington Senators 2nd round pick 1742 Oct 6, 2004   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Washington Senators 2nd round pick 1743 Oct 6, 2004   Alan Boodman   Tigers are on the clock 1744 Oct 6, 2004   Alan Boodman   1965 files 1745 Oct 6, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   1965 Draft Page 1746 Oct 6, 2004   Steve Dewing   Tigers select Don Demeter 1747 Oct 6, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; Cardinals are on the clock 1748 Oct 6, 2004   Michael Rescigno   Cardinals select 1749 Oct 7, 2004   Alan Boodman   Twins are on the clock 1750 Oct 7, 2004   Kevin Batson   Re: [PreSmiley] Twins are on the clock 1751 Oct 7, 2004   Alan Boodman   Orioles are on the clock 1752 Oct 7, 2004   Gary Dewing   Orioles select Jackie Brandt 1753 Oct 7, 2004   Alan Boodman   White Sox are on the clock 1754 Oct 7, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Re: White Sox are on the clock 1755 Oct 7, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; CHA is up again 1756 Oct 7, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Re: 2 teams pick; CHA is up again 1757 Oct 7, 2004   Alan Boodman   4 teams pick; Senators are on the clock 1758 Oct 7, 2004   Alan Boodman   1965 files updated 1759 Oct 7, 2004   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Senators 3rd round pick 1760 Oct 7, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Re: [PreSmiley] Senators 3rd round pick 1761 Oct 7, 2004   Steve Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Mets 3rd round pick- Russ Nixon 1762 Oct 7, 2004   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Mets 3rd round pick- Russ Nixon 1763 Oct 7, 2004   Steve Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Senators 3rd round pick 1764 Oct 7, 2004   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Washington 3rd Round pick 1765 Oct 8, 2004   Steve Dewing   NYN 4th round pick = EDDIE BRESSOUD, SS 1766 Oct 8, 2004   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock 1767 Oct 8, 2004   Larry Cupp   reds 1768 Oct 8, 2004   Alan Boodman   4 teams pick, Dodgers are on the clock 1769 Oct 8, 2004   Alan Boodman   both leagues are on hold 1770 Oct 8, 2004   Steve Bivens   Question 1771 Oct 9, 2004   Dave Jackson   Re: 4 teams pick, Dodgers are on the clock 1772 Oct 9, 2004   Alan Boodman   I'm back! 1773 Oct 10, 2004   Alan Boodman   1965 draft resumes; 2 teams pick; Orioles are on the clock 1774 Oct 10, 2004   Steve Dewing   BAA selects Ray Sadecki 1775 Oct 10, 2004   Gary Brown   [PreSmiley] Boston selects Rollie Sheldon 1776 Oct 10, 2004   Alan Boodman   3 teams pick; White Sox are on the clock 1777 Oct 10, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Fw: [SmileyList] Openings in current-year simulation league 1778 Oct 10, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   White Sox pick 1779 Oct 10, 2004   Alan Boodman   Giants are on the clock 1780 Oct 10, 2004   Darren Dawson   Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock 1781 Oct 10, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock 1782 Oct 10, 2004   Darren Dawson   Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock 1783 Oct 10, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; Senators are on the clock 1784 Oct 10, 2004   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] 2 teams pick; Senators are on the clock 1785 Oct 10, 2004   Steve Dewing   Mets select Ken Harrelson, CINCINNATI is up 1786 Oct 10, 2004   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock 1787 Oct 10, 2004   Steve Bivens   Question II 1788 Oct 11, 2004   Larry Cupp   Reds 1789 Oct 11, 2004   Alan Boodman   Tigers are on the clock 1790 Oct 11, 2004   Steve Dewing   Tigers select Galen Cisco, NYA is up 1791 Oct 11, 2004   Alan Boodman   Yankees are on the clock 1792 Oct 11, 2004   Alan Boodman   1965 files updated 1793 Oct 11, 2004   Billy Vanson   Yankees selects, Cards list is up, with the Dodgers to follow.... 1794 Oct 11, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; Dodgers are on the clock 1795 Oct 12, 2004   Alan Boodman   Twins are on the clock 1796 Oct 12, 2004   Kevin Batson   Re: [PreSmiley] Twins are on the clock 1797 Oct 12, 2004   Alan Boodman   Orioles are on the clock 1798 Oct 12, 2004   Gary Dewing   Orioles pick GARY GEIGER 1799 Oct 12, 2004   Alan Boodman   3 teams pick; White Sox are on the clock 1800 Oct 12, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Re: [PreSmiley] 3 teams pick; White Sox pick Alex Johnson 1801 Oct 12, 2004   Alan Boodman   Giants are on the clock 1802 Oct 12, 2004   Darren Dawson   Re: [PreSmiley] Giants are on the clock 1803 Oct 12, 2004   Alan Boodman   3 teams pick; Mets are on the clock 1804 Oct 12, 2004   Steve Dewing   Mets select Aubrey Gatewood 1805 Oct 12, 2004   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock 1806 Oct 13, 2004   Larry Cupp   Reds 1807 Oct 13, 2004   Alan Boodman   Yankees are on the clock 1808 Oct 13, 2004   Billy Vanson   NY Yankees selection.... 1809 Oct 13, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; Dodgers are on the clock 1810 Oct 13, 2004   Dave Jackson   RE: [PreSmiley] 2 teams pick; Dodgers are on the clock 1811 Oct 13, 2004   Alan Boodman   Orioles are on the clock 1812 Oct 13, 2004   Gary Dewing   Orioles select Phil Regan 1813 Oct 13, 2004   Alan Boodman   Red Sox are on the clock 1814 Oct 13, 2004   Gary Brown   Red Sox Pick 1815 Oct 14, 2004   Alan Boodman   2 teams pick; White Sox are on the clock 1816 Oct 14, 2004   Jonathan Fellows   Re: [PreSmiley] 2 teams pick; White Sox are on the clock 1817 Oct 14, 2004   Alan Boodman   Giants are on the clock 1818 Oct 14, 2004   Alan Boodman   3 teams pick; Mets are on the clock 1819 Oct 14, 2004   Steve Dewing   Mets select Moe Drabowsky, CIN is up, NYA on deck 1820 Oct 14, 2004   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock

Previous message                 Next message Message #: 1720 Message from: Steve Bivens Sent: Oct 4, 2004 Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons My thoughts on this subject... It is important to note that we cannot trade for draft picks in this league. This narrows a teams opportunity to improve through trades. Then you add the Claim Rule and the "Dick Allen" rule and you make it even MORE difficult. And then if you screw up and forfeit your first round pick then you are royally...uh...unfortunate!! LOL... I can see where Larry would want to get something for Burroughs if he is planning on making a run at his division next season. I don't believe that the "real-life" trade has any bearing on the trade he makes either, except that it is obvious that Atlanta has more to gain by trading for Burroughs. I had a similar situation when I attempted to trade Larry Gura to Kansas City. The KC manager at that time offered me Doyle Alexander. I didn't have much need for Alexander so I passed. I would rather make K.C. burn a first round pick on Gura than take a player that I would have little use for and end up losing after one year. So be it. No harm, no foul, nothing personal. Taking this one step further, I personally believe that managers who have been in the league for a specific period of time should no longer have to submit trades to a committee. I don't care the who, what, where or whys of a trade as long as I know that a manager is going to stick around to pay his dues when he makes a poor trade. I may not like how certain trades effect my pennant chances, but that's kind of how it works out in real life, isn't it? Steve B. By the way, I personally enjoy the banter! Original Message: ----------------- From: Steve Dewing dewing19@... Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:39:51 -0500 To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com, PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons I will give my .02 and please keep in mind that it's just my opinion and I feel it makes for a more interesting league if matters like these can be discussed without too much rancor. As far as the Burroughs trade goes I don't think it matters one whit what the real-life trade is. The reason it even comes into play is because the Dick Allen Rule makes it advantageous for teams to involve the same players if possible. Personally I wouldn't have traded Burroughs for Devine because I would rather suffer the minor loss (not having Devine next year) for the major benefit for the league of having Burroughs available next year in the draft and the small possibility that I could get him back then (or Gary Matthews, whichever guy ATN chose not to claim). I'm not claiming any moral high ground here, I'm sure if I was the ATN manager I would have taken the deal without reservation. I just wouldn't have had the "seeds" to propose it. Since you brought it up I feel obligated to opine on the Robinson/Pappas trade in PreSMILEY... My understanding is that you offered Pappas straight up for Robinson. I remember my brother asking me about it and I suggested that since Robinson (a twelve year player, 1956-1967at the time, and a 8 time all-star) was obviously a bit better than Pappas (1958-1967 2-time all-star) that maybe he could get a little more for Robby. When he suggested Pappas AND Jim McGlothlin (1967 one-year wonder) you responded by offering Pappas OR McGlothlin. His offer was reasonable and yours was not. So please let's not try to perpetuate the idea any longer that he "balked" at a reasonable offer. Anyway, I checked out the history of the real-life trade and from what I pieced together it was very interesting. Days before the trade the Orioles sent Jackie Brandt to PHN for Jack Baldschun ( a nice reliever who probably will go in the 3rd round of the 1965 pre SMILEY draft) and sent Norm Siebern to California for Dick Simpson. They then sent Pappas, Simpson, and Baldschun to the Reds for Robinson. It most definitely was not Pappas for Robinson straight up. What's done is done however and Baltimore's and Cincy's loss is the league's gain. Robinson and Pappas will go in the top 4 and it made the draft probably as strong as any we'll see in PreSMILEY. Now Larry, as far as Texas goes I would think that they are in a wonderful position to benefit from claims and the DAR.There were alot of "name" players passing through Texas in the late 70s for sure. Zisk, Oliver, C Washington, Bonds, Staub, Horton, Matlack, Alexander, Ellis, and Medich to name a few off-hand. You can't convince me with your "woe is me" statement. Although we disagree on most things I do consider you to be a very savvy GM in both leagues, except for the previously discussed mis-step on the Robinson deal. I will admit though that without the trading of draft picks (!) and the with the ability to "claim" it does change the trading landscape quite a bit so I may be a little out of step with SMILEY which is why I posted the "opinion" disclaimer to start this message. Regards, Steve SMILEY Cardinals Pre-SMILEY Tigers and Mets ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cupp To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [SmileyList] Trade reasons The Rangers lose Burroughs (who has stunk for us so far in Smiley) at the end of 1976. In 77 he goes to the Braves. The actual ML trade on December 9, 1976 was Burroughs for Ken Henderson, Dave May, Carl Morton, Roger Moret, and Adrian Devine. In 1977 Texas had their best record in history 94-68. We won't have another chance to contend until 1996 when the Rangers were 92-70 in real life. So with the Smiley Braves only owning Devine and Morton and Morton retiring after the 1976 season, this was the best we could do. In PreSmiley I tried to make the Pappas for Frank Robinson deal, but the other owner balked and now we can stuff both of those guys, you know where. Devine will give us 106 useful innings next year and Burroughs goes to the other league. When you have a poor franchise like this one, you aim for certain years when you can take a shot. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SmileyList/ b.. 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