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Nov 12, 2001 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [SmileyList] game play rules |
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Nov 12, 2001 |
Bob Lind |
RE: [SmileyList] game play rules |
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Nov 12, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
Padres trade flyer |
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Nov 12, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] game play rules |
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Nov 12, 2001 |
Bob Lind |
Re: [SmileyList] game play rules |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Rick Ramacier |
minn @det |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees at Orioles |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Ben Lea |
White Sox @ A's |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] gameplay rules |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
Mets |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Ray Cappocchi |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Ray Cappocchi |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets |
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Nov 13, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets |
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Nov 14, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
Owners List |
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Nov 14, 2001 |
Bob Lind |
Re: [SmileyList] Owners List |
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Nov 14, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
RE: [SmileyList] Owners List |
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Nov 14, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
Padres and Cardinals |
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Nov 14, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
Boston at Minnesota |
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Nov 14, 2001 |
Ray Cappocchi |
NYN@STN71-73 |
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Nov 15, 2001 |
Bob Lind |
OAA new CM |
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Nov 16, 2001 |
Raul Camacho |
SFN@PIN |
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Nov 16, 2001 |
Raul Camacho |
SF trade wire.... Good SP for 71-72-73 |
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Nov 16, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Tigers @ Senators |
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Nov 16, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Tigers @ Senators |
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Nov 16, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Tigers @ Senators |
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Nov 15, 2001 |
Frank Pennylegion |
Re: [SmileyList] SF trade wire.... Good SP for 71-72-73 |
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Nov 16, 2001 |
Frank Pennylegion |
Re: [SmileyList] SF trade wire.... Good SP for 71-72-73 |
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Nov 17, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
Player search |
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Ben Lea |
Re: [SmileyList] Player search |
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Nov 17, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Player search |
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Alan Boodman |
new Cardinals owner |
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Nov 17, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Player Status finally updated |
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Nov 17, 2001 |
Raul Camacho |
Re: [SmileyList] SF trade wire.... Good SP for 71-72-73 |
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Brandon Colvin |
ATNLAN |
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Scott Campbell |
Re: [SmileyList] ATNLAN |
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Nov 17, 2001 |
Michael Skiffington |
baa v boa |
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Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] ATNLAN |
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Alan Boodman |
Week 11 update |
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Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Player search |
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Nov 18, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Player search |
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Nov 18, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Braves |
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Nov 21, 2001 |
Steve Bivens |
Montreal at Cincinnati |
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Nov 21, 2001 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs lose 3 of 4 , Mcovey hits 39, 40 and 41 |
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Nov 22, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
Still looking--SMILEY Atlanta |
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Nov 24, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 11 update |
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Nov 24, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
WAAMLA71 |
| 3329 |
Nov 24, 2001 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees CM |
| 3330 |
Nov 24, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
Whoever plays the Braves next week |
| 3331 |
Nov 25, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 11 autoplays |
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Nov 25, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
two trades this week.... |
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Nov 25, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 12 begins |
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Nov 25, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 12 begins |
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Nov 25, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
ATN CM |
| 3336 |
Nov 25, 2001 |
Rick Ramacier |
Cardinals Find New Ways to Find to Lose |
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Nov 25, 2001 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs and Bucs split |
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Nov 24, 2001 |
Frank Pennylegion |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 12 begins |
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Nov 25, 2001 |
Scott Campbell |
Lan at Nyn |
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Nov 26, 2001 |
Ben Lea |
White Sox @ Twins |
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Nov 26, 2001 |
Ben Lea |
trade flier |
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Nov 26, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
padre manager |
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Nov 26, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
padres and braves |
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Nov 27, 2001 |
Ben Lea |
Contemporary league |
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Nov 27, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] Contemporary league |
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Nov 26, 2001 |
Frank Pennylegion |
Re: [SmileyList] Contemporary league |
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Nov 27, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Contemporary league |
| 3348 |
Nov 27, 2001 |
Steve Bivens |
Trade Flyer |
| 3349 |
Nov 28, 2001 |
Rick Ramacier |
Twins @ Red Sox |
| 3350 |
Nov 28, 2001 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Contemporary league |
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Nov 29, 2001 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees at A's |
| 3352 |
Nov 29, 2001 |
Bob Lind |
Oakland at Baltimore |
| 3353 |
Nov 29, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
new SMILEY owner |
| 3354 |
Nov 29, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
San Diego goes on a trading binge |
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Nov 29, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
Boston at Detroit |
| 3356 |
Nov 29, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
WAANYY81 |
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Nov 30, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Tigers @ Brewers |
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Nov 30, 2001 |
Larry Cupp |
Free Agents |
| 3359 |
Nov 30, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
RE: [SmileyList] Free Agents |
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Nov 30, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Constitution update |
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Dec 1, 2001 |
Ray Cappocchi |
NYN@MON |
| 3362 |
Dec 1, 2001 |
Mike Rodriguez |
KC @ CHW |
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Dec 1, 2001 |
Dave Jackson |
Pin @ Cin |
| 3364 |
Dec 1, 2001 |
Ray Cappocchi |
New Mets CM |
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Dec 1, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 12 update |
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Dec 1, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
ATNSFN |
| 3367 |
Dec 1, 2001 |
Steve Bivens |
Montreal at St. Louis Week 12 |
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Dec 1, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
new padres manager to come tomorrow |
| 3369 |
Dec 1, 2001 |
Michael Skiffington |
baa v waa |
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Dec 1, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Padres |
| 3371 |
Dec 1, 2001 |
Raul Camacho |
SFN@CHN |
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Dec 2, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] new padres manager to come tomorrow |
| 3373 |
Dec 2, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 13 begins |
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Dec 2, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
san diego manager |
| 3375 |
Dec 2, 2001 |
Michael Tomeo |
All-star starters |
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Dec 2, 2001 |
Brandon Colvin |
ATN CM |
| 3377 |
Dec 2, 2001 |
Raul Camacho |
Re: [SmileyList] All-star starters |
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Dec 2, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Tigers @ Senators |
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Dec 3, 2001 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees at Brewers |
| 3380 |
Dec 3, 2001 |
Alan Bosslet |
RE: [SmileyList] Week 12 update |
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Dec 3, 2001 |
Stan Berger |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 12 update |
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Dec 3, 2001 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Braves |
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Message #: 3282
Message from: Steve Bivens
Sent: Nov 12, 2001
Subject: RE: [SmileyList] game play rules
Bob,
Interesting post. It delights me that we have someone with this kind of
knowledge!!
Could you please give a HYPOTHETICAL to the mathematical impossibilities you
refer to? Nothing leaps to my mind...but wouldn't a mathematical
impossibility be "proof" of cheating?
Steve B.
-----Original Message-----
From: bob lind [mailto:lindinmoskva@...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:34 PM
To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [SmileyList] game play rules
There isn't. I am a software developer by trade and have studied PAC files
pretty extensively. I have also called Strat support and talked to a
software engineer. This is a common request that hasn't been implemented by
Strat (yet).
You can tell some things by looking at date/time stamps. Were the games
played in order (indicating that someone replayed a game out of sequence).
Are there gaps in the date/time stamps? (although as a father I can attest
that it could mean that a small child needed attention). Did a player do
something that was mathematically impossible indicating that someone altered
the game results?
Even if one locks the league from manual entry/ undo, one could still exit
the game if he were losing and replay.
The only thing you can do is to be honest and play the game with integrity
and hope that your opponent does the same.
The key to a successful league is to only have owners that will play
honestly.
bob
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Alan,
I have never bothered to look, but is it possible to tell in the play by
play if the "Undo Last Play" option has been used? How about manually
entering or "Quick Play"?
If it is possible to tell if the "Undo Last Play" option has been used,
wouldn't this be proof of cheating? I can't think of any instance where it
would be necessary to use this option.
Otherwise, "proof" will be hard to come by...
Steve B.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Boodman [mailto:aeb1@...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:55 PM
To: SmileyList
Subject: [SmileyList] gameplay rules
Some owners have lately been noticing and reporting on the disparity in
road-vs-home records of some teams (not necessarily just in 1970, but in
some cases over the years), and have raised questions as to whether we're
all playing by the same rules in our road games.
I believe that the following is stated in the Constitution, or at least in
the Instructions:
Always give the HOME team 5 days off before playing the first game of the
series.
Even more importantly:
Do not use the "Undo Last Play" option, do not manually enter dice rolls or
results, do not use the "Quick Play" option, and certainly do not discard a
game once it has begun.
I find it very difficult to believe that any owner would cheat in a league
like this, where we are playing for absolutely nothing other than the
enjoyment of it, and of course there will always be random variations in
home/road records. Those things generally reflect merely the degree of
"luck" a team has, which is usually a temporary condition (whether good or
bad) and tends to even out over the course of several seasons (but not
always).
We have no choice but to work on the honor system here, and I sincerely hope
that winning (or in some cases, losing) is not so important to any owner
that they would feel the need to cheat to accomplish their goals.
I personally do not believe that anyone *is* actually cheating (if I did,
and had proof, expulsion from the league would occur), but the issue has
been raised, and I feel it's best to have things out in the open rather than
having owners suspicious of each other in private.
Alan
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