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| 3992 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
Issues at hand |
| 3993 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] SMILEY changes for 1971 |
| 3994 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
thanks for the reponses |
| 3995 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Issues at hand |
| 3996 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
Re: [SmileyList] Issues at hand |
| 3997 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Scott Campbell |
Re: [SmileyList] Issues at hand |
| 3998 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] SMILEY changes for 1971 |
| 3999 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Scott Campbell |
Home/Road split |
| 4000 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Dave Jackson |
Cuts & Claims |
| 4001 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Draft update |
| 4002 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
1971 draft begins |
| 4003 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
RE: [SmileyList] Draft update |
| 4004 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Home/Road split |
| 4005 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Draft update |
| 4006 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
Round 1, pick 1 |
| 4007 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Cubs on the clock |
| 4008 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4009 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
RE: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4010 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4011 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Bob Lind |
Of playing positions |
| 4012 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4013 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4014 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Bob Lind |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4015 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4016 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Cardinals on the clock |
| 4017 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
free agent list |
| 4018 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] free agent list |
| 4019 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
Thoughts from Minnesota |
| 4020 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
RE: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4021 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Bob Lind |
Re: [SmileyList] Thoughts from Minnesota |
| 4022 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Rich Anderson |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals on the clock |
| 4023 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Padres on the clock |
| 4024 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock |
| 4025 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Pirates on the clock |
| 4026 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
draft reminder |
| 4027 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4028 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
SOM software help? |
| 4029 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
wrl1901 |
Team Saver kits |
| 4030 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4031 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4032 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
the next pick deadline |
| 4033 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4034 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4035 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4036 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Dave Jackson |
Pirates select.............. |
| 4037 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Pirates select.............. |
| 4038 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Washington Pick |
| 4039 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Royals on the clock |
| 4040 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4041 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox on the clock |
| 4042 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
White Sox pick, Cincinnati on the clock |
| 4043 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Cincinnati picks, Yankees are up |
| 4044 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees pick... |
| 4045 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Mets on the clock |
| 4046 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
Mets 1st first round pick |
| 4047 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets 1st first round pick |
| 4048 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
Mets next pick |
| 4049 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets next pick |
| 4050 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Milwaukee on the clock |
| 4051 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Frank Pennylegion |
Re: [SmileyList] Milwaukee on the clock |
| 4052 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox on the clock |
| 4053 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
White Sox pick |
| 4054 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Padres on the clock |
| 4055 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock |
| 4056 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
I am geek! |
| 4057 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock |
| 4058 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
St. Louis is on the clock |
| 4059 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Jeff Juenger |
Re: [SmileyList] St. Louis is on the clock |
| 4060 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Dodgers on the clock |
| 4061 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
League files updated |
| 4062 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
We are the world(everybody in SMILEY swaying back and forth with our arms around each other) |
| 4063 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4064 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4065 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4066 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4067 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
HAL for WAA |
| 4068 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4069 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4070 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] HAL for WAA |
| 4071 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
Wayne Granger |
| 4072 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Wayne Granger |
| 4073 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4074 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Wayne Granger |
| 4075 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Scott Campbell |
Re: [SmileyList] Dodgers on the clock |
| 4076 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins on the clock |
| 4077 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
More proof I am a geek |
| 4078 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
Twins Need help! |
| 4079 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
Twins Select |
| 4080 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox on the clock |
| 4081 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
ALCS Game 1 |
| 4082 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
The future is now in Chicagoland! |
| 4083 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Royals on the clock |
| 4084 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4085 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4086 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Senators on the clock |
| 4087 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins on the clock |
| 4088 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
draft update |
| 4089 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins, Reds pick; Yankees on the clock |
| 4090 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Re: [SmileyList] Twins, Reds pick; Yankees on the clock |
| 4091 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Yankees pick; Mets on the clock |
| 4092 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
Mets Pick |
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Message #: 3992
Message from: Steve Bivens
Sent: Feb 24, 2002
Subject: Issues at hand
Alan,
I wanted to comment on your e-mail regarding trades and home/road records to
the list. Consider this food for thought. I might draw some conclusions
from what I am about to say...then again, maybe not.
I appreciate the fact that you are taking a very "high" road when you say
you aren't accusing anyone of cheating. Because I'm not the commissioner of
this league I plan on being more direct. I'm sure that honest members will
appreciate what I say. Otherwise, if the shoe fits...
I would not have won the National League East this year without Luis
Aparacio. I obtained him in essence for my number one pick in the upcoming
draft. This was a conscious decision to mortgage my future to contend this
season. As it turns out, it paid big dividends. Could I have obtained him
without picks? Not sure I could have.
This is not an argument to allow draft picks to be traded. I understand the
dilemmas involved in allowing the trading of picks. So I am somewhat
ambivalent on this specific issue except as it pertains to issue number
two...the home/road records.
Alan, have you considered that "pipeline" deals might be considered by some
as playing within the rules? I understand the problems inherent in these
type of trades, particularly as they apply to retro leagues like this one so
I agree they must be prevented. I suppose that some sort of trade
evaluations will have to be made if we cannot trust to have 100% compliance
within the spirit of the league. I am going to suggest that you need to
take a hard line approach: Make it clear that "pipeline" deals are not
allowed and should not even be considered...EVEN if a trade council or trade
approval is required. Attempts to make these kind of deals will result in
expulsion from the league. I believe this kind of harsh approach is
necessary to maintain league integrity.
On to home/road records:
I am going to suggest that your noble attempts to expose or shame any
cheaters into changing their ways as basically futile. You can print out
spreadsheets showing trends for the next couple of seasons and I don't
believe it will have any effect. Further, I think that looking at these
trends in general is a very slippery slope. There are many factors that go
into a team's home/road record that will skew the results.
I suggest that you take a hard line approach similar to this: You must
evaluate any given team before a season starts to have a basic idea how good
a team is. Past season performance may be an indicator, but not necessarily
so. Any team that you believe is overachieving beyond what is reasonable
you must reserve the right as commissioner to expel the manager of that
team. I know that this is a heavy responsibility. It will require that you
evaluate a team/manager by using several different criteria:
Historical road/home records, evidence of game file tampering,
out-of-sequence game files, input from other league managers.
Keep in mind that the league is not necessarily a democracy and that no one
is paying to play. You reserve the right to "kick" any league member you
see fit. This can also be done by avoiding the label "cheater". Just say
any expulsion is "in the best interest of the league."
I find the three solutions you suggested in an attempt to remedy this
situation as bad, worse, and worse-than-worse. And I do have compassion for
the task you have as I am a former league commissioner.
I see online games as a good solution with the one caveat being the ability
of league members to find time to play. Varying schedules, time zones, etc.
make this extremely difficult.
I see auto played games as very distasteful. Frankly, I could run a solo
league and get the same results. I actually enjoy playing the games...win
or lose.
Requiring the above for teams the exceed some home/road differential limit
seems too arbitrary. Set the bar too high and it won't make any difference.
Set the bar too low and you'll snag some legitimate teams (I believe), or
you'll just get the cheaters to play to the limit. You have the same issues
with a penalty/reward system...where to set the bar.
Well, I think I have rambled on enough. I vote for tough enforcement and
league expulsion. Circumstantial evidence is enough. Let's don't let one
or two individuals ruin what is otherwise a fun and well-run league.
Finally, I offer all the above as "one man's opinion." I did not consult
any other league member before I typed the above.
Sincerely,
Steve Bivens |
