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| 3997 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Scott Campbell |
Re: [SmileyList] Issues at hand |
| 3998 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] SMILEY changes for 1971 |
| 3999 |
Feb 24, 2002 |
Scott Campbell |
Home/Road split |
| 4000 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Dave Jackson |
Cuts & Claims |
| 4001 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Draft update |
| 4002 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
1971 draft begins |
| 4003 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
RE: [SmileyList] Draft update |
| 4004 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Home/Road split |
| 4005 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Draft update |
| 4006 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
Round 1, pick 1 |
| 4007 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Cubs on the clock |
| 4008 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4009 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
RE: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4010 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4011 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Bob Lind |
Of playing positions |
| 4012 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4013 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4014 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Bob Lind |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4015 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4016 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Cardinals on the clock |
| 4017 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
free agent list |
| 4018 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] free agent list |
| 4019 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
Thoughts from Minnesota |
| 4020 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
RE: [SmileyList] Cubs on the clock |
| 4021 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Bob Lind |
Re: [SmileyList] Thoughts from Minnesota |
| 4022 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Rich Anderson |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals on the clock |
| 4023 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Padres on the clock |
| 4024 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock |
| 4025 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Pirates on the clock |
| 4026 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
draft reminder |
| 4027 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions |
| 4028 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
SOM software help? |
| 4029 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
wrl1901 |
Team Saver kits |
| 4030 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4031 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4032 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
the next pick deadline |
| 4033 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4034 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4035 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? |
| 4036 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Dave Jackson |
Pirates select.............. |
| 4037 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Pirates select.............. |
| 4038 |
Feb 25, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Washington Pick |
| 4039 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Royals on the clock |
| 4040 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4041 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox on the clock |
| 4042 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
White Sox pick, Cincinnati on the clock |
| 4043 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Cincinnati picks, Yankees are up |
| 4044 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees pick... |
| 4045 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Mets on the clock |
| 4046 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
Mets 1st first round pick |
| 4047 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets 1st first round pick |
| 4048 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
Mets next pick |
| 4049 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Mets next pick |
| 4050 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Milwaukee on the clock |
| 4051 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Frank Pennylegion |
Re: [SmileyList] Milwaukee on the clock |
| 4052 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox on the clock |
| 4053 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
White Sox pick |
| 4054 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Padres on the clock |
| 4055 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock |
| 4056 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
I am geek! |
| 4057 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock |
| 4058 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
St. Louis is on the clock |
| 4059 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Jeff Juenger |
Re: [SmileyList] St. Louis is on the clock |
| 4060 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Dodgers on the clock |
| 4061 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
League files updated |
| 4062 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
We are the world(everybody in SMILEY swaying back and forth with our arms around each other) |
| 4063 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4064 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4065 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4066 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4067 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
HAL for WAA |
| 4068 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4069 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4070 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] HAL for WAA |
| 4071 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
Wayne Granger |
| 4072 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Wayne Granger |
| 4073 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... |
| 4074 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Wayne Granger |
| 4075 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Scott Campbell |
Re: [SmileyList] Dodgers on the clock |
| 4076 |
Feb 26, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins on the clock |
| 4077 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
More proof I am a geek |
| 4078 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
Twins Need help! |
| 4079 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
Twins Select |
| 4080 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox on the clock |
| 4081 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
ALCS Game 1 |
| 4082 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
The future is now in Chicagoland! |
| 4083 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Royals on the clock |
| 4084 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4085 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock |
| 4086 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Senators on the clock |
| 4087 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins on the clock |
| 4088 |
Feb 27, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
draft update |
| 4089 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Twins, Reds pick; Yankees on the clock |
| 4090 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Re: [SmileyList] Twins, Reds pick; Yankees on the clock |
| 4091 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Yankees pick; Mets on the clock |
| 4092 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
Mets Pick |
| 4093 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
White Sox on the clock |
| 4094 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] White Sox on the clock |
| 4095 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Dodgers on the clock |
| 4096 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
NLCS Game 1 |
| 4097 |
Feb 28, 2002 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] Yankees pick; Mets on the clock |
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Message #: 3997
Message from: Scott Campbell
Sent: Feb 24, 2002
Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Issues at hand
Maybe I am missing something here... Here you have the Expos that were historically a poor team until the 80's. Steve made a deal that mortgaged a little of his future (or a lot) to make a run at the playoffs and actually made it. But by restricting trading draft picks, the Expos probably would have had little chance to pull off a deal that put them in the playoffs without creating another hole that would have prevented this.
So my question is, what tools do the weak teams have to try and make runs at the playoffs? Or, in the Expos case, they pretty much have to sit around until the MLB Expos finally get good? Another example wouldbe the Padres... Their best asset to make a playoff run is their future draft picks. But by cutting that off that is a big hurdle to overcome.
If the object of Smiley is to pretty much replicate what actually happened in MLB then we might as well just take the actual rosters of MLB teams each year and replay the seasons. I feel fortunate that my Dodgers didn't have long droughts of ineptness (though some might argue we are in one currently) but lets give teams that are historically near the bottom some chance to compete occasionally.
I would even think going the opopsite way would be better for the weaker teams. I would actually like to see teams able to deal picks for the coming draft as well as the one following it. Sure, they might mortgage a few years but at least the complete deals would be out in the table for everyone to see. I guess I don't see a team trying to improve themselves (be it during the current year or the next year or the year after) being a bad thing for a league. What I see being bad for a Retro league is a franchise that is bad year after year because of the limitations the league has put in place. From my experience, when I have seen this it usually leads to constant turnover of management for the weak
Just my .02 which probably doesn't properly represent the league opinion since I am typically in the minority on Smiley issues (inter-league play for example)!
Scott
In a message dated 2/24/02 7:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, mtomeo@... writes:
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> I would not have won the National League East this year without Luis
> Aparacio. I obtained him in essence for my number one pick in the upcoming
> draft. This was a conscious decision to mortgage my future to contend this
> season. As it turns out, it paid big dividends. Could I have obtained him
> without picks? Not sure I could have.
But here in lies the problem...By trading your #1, (or basically nothing this
year) you got a player that helped you contend. Luckily you won the division. If
you hadn't, you still would have had one of the top records in the league, thus
dropping the value of that #1. Everyone can see that 71 is not a very deep draft
and your #19 overall spot isn't going to be a player that was as helpful to they
White Sox as Aparicio was to the Expos. At best, if you fell short of the
playoffs, your pick is probably in the 14-15 range and still not as valuable as
what you got...
In a retro league the value of a pick is known in advance since you know that
players future before you pick him. In a current league, at least there is the
element of chance on how that player turns out. Is taking Pujols,Dunn and Oswalt
at the top of a 2001 draft the right thing to do? Only time will tell.Is taking
Luzinski and JR RIchard at the top of this draft the right thing to
do..Absolutely as you know how they turn out.
Lets look at it this way. In 1973 would you have used a #1 pick on Mike Schmidt
and his 34 ab's and .206 average..Will someone do it next year in our draft?
Most certainly...
mike
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