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# Date Sender Subject 4021 Feb 25, 2002   Bob Lind   Re: [SmileyList] Thoughts from Minnesota 4022 Feb 25, 2002   Rich Anderson   Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals on the clock 4023 Feb 25, 2002   Alan Boodman   Padres on the clock 4024 Feb 25, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock 4025 Feb 25, 2002   Alan Boodman   Pirates on the clock 4026 Feb 25, 2002   Alan Boodman   draft reminder 4027 Feb 25, 2002   Larry Cupp   Re: [SmileyList] Of playing positions 4028 Feb 25, 2002   Larry Cupp   SOM software help? 4029 Feb 25, 2002   wrl1901   Team Saver kits 4030 Feb 25, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? 4031 Feb 25, 2002   Alan Boodman   Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? 4032 Feb 25, 2002   Alan Boodman   the next pick deadline 4033 Feb 25, 2002   Larry Cupp   Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? 4034 Feb 25, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? 4035 Feb 25, 2002   Larry Cupp   Re: [SmileyList] SOM software help? 4036 Feb 25, 2002   Dave Jackson   Pirates select.............. 4037 Feb 25, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] Pirates select.............. 4038 Feb 25, 2002   Larry Cupp   Washington Pick 4039 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Royals on the clock 4040 Feb 26, 2002   Mike Rodriguez   Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock 4041 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   White Sox on the clock 4042 Feb 26, 2002   Ben Lea   White Sox pick, Cincinnati on the clock 4043 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Cincinnati picks, Yankees are up 4044 Feb 26, 2002   Chris Kohlwes   Yankees pick... 4045 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Mets on the clock 4046 Feb 26, 2002   Ray Cappocchi   Mets 1st first round pick 4047 Feb 26, 2002   Ben Lea   RE: [SmileyList] Mets 1st first round pick 4048 Feb 26, 2002   Ray Cappocchi   Mets next pick 4049 Feb 26, 2002   Ben Lea   RE: [SmileyList] Mets next pick 4050 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Milwaukee on the clock 4051 Feb 26, 2002   Frank Pennylegion   Re: [SmileyList] Milwaukee on the clock 4052 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   White Sox on the clock 4053 Feb 26, 2002   Ben Lea   White Sox pick 4054 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Padres on the clock 4055 Feb 26, 2002   Michael Tomeo   RE: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock 4056 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Bosslet   I am geek! 4057 Feb 26, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock 4058 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   St. Louis is on the clock 4059 Feb 26, 2002   Jeff Juenger   Re: [SmileyList] St. Louis is on the clock 4060 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Dodgers on the clock 4061 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   League files updated 4062 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Bosslet   We are the world(everybody in SMILEY swaying back and forth with our arms around each other) 4063 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Bosslet   things that make you go hmmmm..... 4064 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... 4065 Feb 26, 2002   Larry Cupp   Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... 4066 Feb 26, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... 4067 Feb 26, 2002   Chris Kohlwes   HAL for WAA 4068 Feb 26, 2002   Steve Bivens   RE: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock 4069 Feb 26, 2002   Larry Cupp   Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... 4070 Feb 26, 2002   Larry Cupp   Re: [SmileyList] HAL for WAA 4071 Feb 26, 2002   Ben Lea   Wayne Granger 4072 Feb 26, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] Wayne Granger 4073 Feb 26, 2002   Brandon Colvin   Re: [SmileyList] things that make you go hmmmm..... 4074 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Re: [SmileyList] Wayne Granger 4075 Feb 26, 2002   Scott Campbell   Re: [SmileyList] Dodgers on the clock 4076 Feb 26, 2002   Alan Boodman   Twins on the clock 4077 Feb 27, 2002   Alan Bosslet   More proof I am a geek 4078 Feb 27, 2002   Rick Ramacier   Twins Need help! 4079 Feb 27, 2002   Rick Ramacier   Twins Select 4080 Feb 27, 2002   Alan Boodman   White Sox on the clock 4081 Feb 27, 2002   Alan Boodman   ALCS Game 1 4082 Feb 27, 2002   Ben Lea   The future is now in Chicagoland! 4083 Feb 27, 2002   Alan Boodman   Royals on the clock 4084 Feb 27, 2002   Mike Rodriguez   Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock 4085 Feb 27, 2002   Larry Cupp   Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock 4086 Feb 27, 2002   Alan Boodman   Senators on the clock 4087 Feb 27, 2002   Alan Boodman   Twins on the clock 4088 Feb 27, 2002   Alan Boodman   draft update 4089 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   Twins, Reds pick; Yankees on the clock 4090 Feb 28, 2002   Chris Kohlwes   Re: [SmileyList] Twins, Reds pick; Yankees on the clock 4091 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   Yankees pick; Mets on the clock 4092 Feb 28, 2002   Ray Cappocchi   Mets Pick 4093 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   White Sox on the clock 4094 Feb 28, 2002   Ben Lea   RE: [SmileyList] White Sox on the clock 4095 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   Dodgers on the clock 4096 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   NLCS Game 1 4097 Feb 28, 2002   Brandon Colvin   Re: [SmileyList] Yankees pick; Mets on the clock 4098 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   ALCS Game 2 4099 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   postseason updates 4100 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Bosslet   RE: [SmileyList] ALCS Game 2 4101 Feb 28, 2002   Rick Ramacier   Re: [SmileyList] ALCS Game 2 4102 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   Padres on the clock for 2 picks 4103 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   league files updated 4104 Feb 28, 2002   Michael Tomeo   Re: [SmileyList] Padres on the clock for 2 picks 4105 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   Brewers on the clock 4106 Feb 28, 2002   Frank Pennylegion   Re: [SmileyList] Brewers on the clock 4107 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   Senators on the clock 4108 Feb 28, 2002   Larry Cupp   Senators pick 4109 Feb 28, 2002   Alan Boodman   Dodgers on the clock 4110 Feb 28, 2002   Scott Campbell   Re: [SmileyList] Dodgers on the clock 4111 Mar 1, 2002   Alan Boodman   Pirates on the clock 4112 Mar 1, 2002   Dave Jackson   Pirates select.... 4113 Mar 1, 2002   Alan Boodman   Twins on the clock 4114 Mar 1, 2002   Chris Kohlwes   Re: [SmileyList] postseason updates 4115 Mar 1, 2002   Rick Ramacier   Re: [SmileyList] Twins select 4116 Mar 1, 2002   Alan Boodman   Royals on the clock 4117 Mar 1, 2002   Alan Boodman   NLCS game 2 4118 Mar 1, 2002   Alan Boodman   ALCS Game 3 4119 Mar 1, 2002   Alan Boodman   playoff files updated 4120 Mar 1, 2002   Mike Rodriguez   Re: [SmileyList] Royals on the clock 4121 Mar 1, 2002   Alan Boodman   Yankees on the clock

Previous message                 Next message Message #: 4021 Message from: Bob Lind Sent: Feb 25, 2002 Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Thoughts from Minnesota Home/road splits are a concern, in a perfect world this sort of thing would not be a problem. I am alarmed by some of the large splits and I believe that there are many possible causes: 1. The road team does something (hits the undo last play button, replays the game, etc) that skews the results giving a better than expected road record. 2. A group of home teams does something (hits the undo last play button, replays the game, etc) that skews the results giving a worse than expected home record. 3. By random chance, a manager sets his rotation so that the matchups are worse at home. Picking 5 starters and rotating them will sometimes do this. There were teams that could rock Jim Hunter and others that succumbed to him. 4. Pure luck. Autoplay the entire season and you seem to get a team every other 3-4 years that has a skewed record. 5. I usually have pretty even home/road splits because I play my best at home offsetting the HAL factor (Jim Beauchamp and Norm Miller frequently played on the road but never at home, because Reggie and Rudi were much better players). Not everyone subscribes to this theory and some may actually do the opposite. This causes skewed home/road splits but it isn't dishonest. The point I wish to make is that while a severe home/road split is cause for alarm, it is difficult (if not impossible) to determine what the cause is. It is wrong and incorrect to assume that there is only one reason for these splits. Making this a public issue instead of just ignoring it is painful, but necessary to a well run league. I applaud the efforts of the commissioners in trying to come up with a reasonable solution to this very difficult problem. bob From: "doms7777" <rprpd@...> Reply-To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SmileyList] Thoughts from Minnesota Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:24:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 63.96.38.62 Received: from [216.115.96.66] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE43DF72002840043260D8736042D50015; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:47:27 -0800 Received: from [216.115.97.165] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 19:24:13 -0000 Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 19:24:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 46133 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 19:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 19:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 19:24:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.121] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 19:24:21 -0000 From sentto-2010233-4022-1014665064-lindinmoskva Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:48:48 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2010233-4022-1014665064-lindinmoskva=hotmail.com@... X-Sender: rprpd@... X-Apparently-To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <a5e313+r2p5@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Profile: doms7777 Mailing-List: list SmileyList@yahoogroups.com; contact SmileyList-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list SmileyList@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:SmileyList-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> As my home computer is currently down, I just read all the stuff sent out on Sunday about trading and road v. home records. I have nothing to really say about trading at this time. As far as road v. home and the discussion in this league, I have a few things to say... First of all, whether it is ment to or not, the discussion, with the exception of Scott from LA seems to suggest that the Twins by virture of playing .400 ball at home in the SMILEY 1970 season, should have finished that season with an overall .400 record. That be would a record of 64 and 98 for a team that was 98 and 64 in real life! The SMILEY Twins had .700 record on the road - which is closer to their real record than their home record. In 1969, the SMILEY Twins had a much more balanced record. I expect that in 1971 and on, the SMILEY Twins will have a more balanced record. Yet it seems that looking at this particular issue over the long term is not what is happenning now, as Alan sees a need to deal with it now with possible proposals. I would personally expect most players who have a good team - as I did this past SMILEY season, to do well against HAL. Thus, have a good road record. I would also expect - with exceptions - those same good teams to do well with HAL at the helm. I had one of those exceptions in 1970. It is interesting to note, that 1970 SMLIEY Twins - a team with a lot of good talent by strat standards - lost an unexpected number of games at home to bottom division teams. This will happen once in a while in a sim game that is diced based. Thus, I had a lousy home record with a good team. I would disagree that it should logically follow that just because a good strat team has an unexpectedly bad season at home - where HAL is the manager - that this same good strat team should have a bad record on the road when managed by a human. But, this seems to be the theme of the discussion. In short, it would seem to me that at least one member of SMILEY has questioned whether or not the record of at least the Minnesota Twins - and possibly others - in 1970 is in fact, legitimate. I would rather confront this in a more open and direct manner. Therefore, if anyone in this league thinks someone is cheating - let's deal with it directly. This league has a really good concept and set up. It should not be changed to try and deal with a preception or undertone of cheating. It is clear that someone(s) thinks someone(s) is being less than honest in the playing of their games. If any of you think I am doing this. I would appreciate an e-mail to me at ramacier@... to that effect so we can discuss it directly. Alan, I oppose all of the options you have proposed. If the league really thinks this is problem, then maybe those owner(s) that other owner(s) think are untrustworthy need to depart. If that includes me so be it. No one should have to be a in league with people who they don't trust. By the same token, if one or some of us are not trusted, why would we bother? As I have said earlier, I think this is a great league with a great concept. I think the people in it are all honest players. But clearly not all of us feel that way about each other. One final thing: I have played enough strat and have taken enough statistical courses to know that using one season such as 1970 to say their is a road home problem such has been suggested simply can't be founded. But, now that the spector of cheating has been raised, it will be hard to put it back in the bottle, and full trust will hard to get back too. Hoepfully we will all find a way to move on and out this behind us. Rick To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SmileyList-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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