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Aug 13, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] Opinion |
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Aug 13, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
netplay |
| 5137 |
Aug 13, 2002 |
Brandon Colvin |
ATNSFN |
| 5138 |
Aug 13, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
WaaBaa59 |
| 5139 |
Aug 14, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
OAA-KCA Week 22 autoplay |
| 5140 |
Aug 14, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
White Sox @ Brewers |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
MNA@DEA |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
same old same old for the sox |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
KC @ MIN |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
a reminder, some recruiting & the draft lottery |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
Re: [SmileyList] a reminder, some recruiting & the draft lottery |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
1972 Trade Committee has filled up |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Cuts and claims |
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Aug 14, 2002 |
Dave Jackson |
Pin @ Sln |
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Aug 15, 2002 |
Michael Stucchi |
STN at NYN 4 game series |
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Aug 16, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Useage Question |
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Aug 16, 2002 |
Rick Ramacier |
Re: [SmileyList] Useage Question |
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Aug 16, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
smiley-reference.com (preview) |
| 5153 |
Aug 16, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] smiley-reference.com (preview) |
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Aug 16, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees at Red Sox |
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Aug 16, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
All 4 races have been decided |
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Aug 16, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
Montreal at Pittsburgh Week 22 |
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Aug 16, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
NYN@SDN |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] All 4 races have been decided |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 22 update |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
DH Vote |
| 5161 |
Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Tigers @ Yankees |
| 5162 |
Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Fw: Export |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
lottery chances |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
lottery teams: your lucky numbers |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
Test |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] Test |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Re: [SmileyList] DH Vote |
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Aug 17, 2002 |
Michael Skiffington |
baa v cha |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees drops and claim |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
1971 regular season ends |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Michael Skiffington |
Re: O's drops |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Draft lottery results |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [SmileyList] Draft lottery results |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
RE: [SmileyList] Draft lottery results |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Draft lottery results |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Brandon Colvin |
Re: [SmileyList] 1971 regular season ends |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
draft tiebreakers |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Attention playoff owners |
| 5179 |
Aug 18, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] Draft lottery results |
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Aug 18, 2002 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs Claim Rick Monday |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
Re: [SmileyList] Draft lottery results |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
Re: [SmileyList] Draft lottery results |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
master list of claims/cuts |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Braves |
| 5185 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
revised 1972 files and draft page are up |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
The 1972 draft begins! |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: F Robinson |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: Allen and Monday |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Frank Pennylegion |
The Brewers select |
| 5190 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Re: Allen and Monday |
| 5191 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Brewers, Rangers pick; Padres on the clock |
| 5192 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Padres pick; SFN on the clock |
| 5193 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Raul Camacho |
Giants pick...MNA up followed by Cards... |
| 5194 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Giants and Twins pick, Cards are on the clock |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Michael Stucchi |
Cardinals Pick #7 |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
KC on the clock |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Brewers, Rangers pick; Padres on the clock |
| 5198 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
e-mail outage |
| 5199 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
Re: [SmileyList] KC on the clock |
| 5200 |
Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Royals and Red Sox pick, Pirates are on the clock |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
deadline for the next pick (PIN) |
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Aug 19, 2002 |
Dave Jackson |
RE: [SmileyList] deadline for the next pick (PIN) |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
PIN, CIN, ATN, DEA pick - Yankees on the clock |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
trading is not allowed yet |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
Re: trading is not allowed yet |
| 5206 |
Aug 20, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] Re: trading is not allowed yet |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Ben Lea |
Re: trading is not allowed yet |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
deadlines |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Re: [SmileyList] trading is not allowed yet |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Chris Kohlwes |
Yankees take... |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
NYA picks; Orioles on the clock |
| 5212 |
Aug 20, 2002 |
Michael Skiffington |
Re: [SmileyList] NYA picks; Orioles on the clock |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Orioles pick; Mets on the clock to end round 1 |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Ray Cappocchi |
RE: [SmileyList] Orioles pick; Mets on the clock to end round 1 |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Brewers lead off round 2 |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
1972 files have been updated |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Frank Pennylegion |
Brewers select |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
MON is on the clock |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Brave New Owner |
| 5220 |
Aug 20, 2002 |
Steve Bivens |
Expos 2nd round pick |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Mike Rodriguez |
Royals pick |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Royals are on the clock |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Now the Cards are on the clock |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Michael Stucchi |
[No subject] |
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Aug 20, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
red sox and padres pick |
| 5226 |
Aug 20, 2002 |
Larry Cupp |
With the eyes of Texas upon us |
| 5227 |
Aug 20, 2002 |
Raul Camacho |
Giants select...Twins up, Pirates on deck |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Round 2: Pirates on the clock |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Dave Jackson |
RE: [SmileyList] Round 2: Pirates on the clock |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Alan Boodman |
Pirates, Reds pick; Braves on the clock |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Rich McCoy |
braves pick |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Michael Tomeo |
Re: [SmileyList] braves pick |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Rich McCoy |
braves pick |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Scott Campbell |
Re: [SmileyList] braves pick |
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Aug 21, 2002 |
Rich McCoy |
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Message #: 5135
Message from: Ben Lea
Sent: Aug 13, 2002
Subject: RE: [SmileyList] Opinion
For what it's worth, I'll add my voice to the chorus on trading draft picks.
As has been said many times, we all know what all the players involved are going to do, for the length of their careers. If you trade for (sorry, Brandon -- I'm going to keep running with the Santo example) Ron Santo, you know exactly what Santowill do for the rest of his career.
MLB trades, of course, aren't like that -- they very often (more often than not?) include minor leaguers, and it's uncertain how those minor leaguers are going to develop. And that's the key word here -- "uncertainty". A bad team with a good player near the end of his career/contract (in MLB) can and often will take a chance and trade that guy to pick up something *uncertain* for the future. (Randy Johnson for Freddy Garcia, John Halama, and Carlos Guillen, for example.)The team giving up the stud is getting the chance of something good, that the prospects they're picking up will develop; the team getting the stud improves their chances for the pennant, while at the same time minimizing their future risk by sa
So, how can we mirror that trade when we don't have that uncertainty. Obviously, we can't trade minor leaguers, since there aren't any, and it'd be silly and counter-productive to try to create them. In fact, there's really onlyone uncertain aspect about this league, only one really randomizing factor (other than the dice themselves)... what player will be available with a particular draft pick.
To summarize, I'd argue that the ability to trade draft picks for us is analogous to trading minor leaguers for the MLB clubs.
One man's opinion,
Ben
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bivens [mailto:oslo79@...]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:12 PM
To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Opinion
I agree with Scott on this one. The trade only once is annoying, but not nearly so restrictive as the no trade draft picks. As a losing team, I can tell you that it is nearly impossible to make a trades that will benefit my future. Without picks it becomes merely body swapping...for the most part.
For example, if I wanted to move Mike Marshall (which I can't since I traded to get him/which makes some sense since I won't be competing this year) what could I expect to get for him? Who will give me a younger, longer term player?
Now the real problem may be the fact that Montreal has about 5 more years of bad teams, and it is not the rules themselves. But I sure would like to pick up some futures...
My 2 cents,
Steve B.
----- Original Message -----
From: shcampbell@...
To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Opinion
I have no problem with how the rule currently is. It does restrict us but you knew that when you dealt for Santo.
Now, if we could just get back to being able to deal draft picks then I think teams (especially the yearly major league doormats) would have a chance to actually compete (like Montreal a few years ago). How it currently stands, they have their hands tied.
Scott
In a message dated 8/12/02 8:54:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bcolvin1978@... writes:
OK I have already talked to Alan and Mike on this adn
they didnt agree with me. I want to see what the rest
of the league has to say on this, and if there is
enough people who agree with what I do maybe put it
towards a vote.
Basically my complaint is on trading. I have no
problem with not trading picks, dont like it but can
live with it. I can live with not claiming all our
FA. The part I have a hard time with is the no
trading players twice. To me this rule acts as a
double edged sword. While it does limit the trading
going on, it also punishes us for trading while the
constitution warrants trading to see if we can indeed
run our teams better than the real ones were. But
with this rule we are limited in what we can trade,
and the players we trade for cant be released unless
they get the dreaded UC. What happens if say I have
Santo as I do and I have another 3b some rookie who is
just as good, I am essentially in a good position as I
have depth to gain what I need to compete, but am
forced with this depth to trade the great rookie since
Santo is forced to stay. So I am punished for picking
him up. Also say on Santo it is towards the end of
his career and he abosutely bites, to bad you traded
for him you cant release him so suck it up. Once
again my freedome to improve my team via an open
roster spot is taken away. Here is my proposal:
Basically if I pick up Santo from Cubs, I can trade
him just not back to the Cubs. Now he could go back
to teh Cubbies later if ANOTHER team wants to deal him
there. I just think this will help in trading and
allow us some more chances to improve. So with that
lets hear some opinions. Mike and Alan I dont want
you to think I was going over your heads or anything,
but I just disagreed with you on this warranting some
talk or a vote.
Brandon
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