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6032 Aug 22, 2007   Billy Vanson   sad day in Orioles history
6033 Aug 22, 2007   Alan Boodman   overusage penalty reduction
6034 Aug 22, 2007   Rick Field   Re: [PreSmiley] overusage penalties
6035 Aug 22, 2007   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] overusage penalties
6036 Aug 26, 2007   Larry Reeves   1960 World Series
6037 Aug 26, 2007   Dennis Van Langen   Re: [PreSmiley] 1960 World Series
6038 Aug 26, 2007   Larry Reeves   Re: [PreSmiley] 1960 World Series
6039 Aug 27, 2007   Alan Boodman   cuts reminder
6040 Aug 30, 2007   Alan Boodman   final cuts reminder
6041 Aug 30, 2007   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] final cuts reminder
6042 Aug 30, 2007   Michael Rescigno   Cardinals cuts
6043 Aug 31, 2007   Robert Rescigno   Re: [PreSmiley] final cuts reminder
6044 Aug 31, 2007   Alan Boodman   all cuts are in; 1959 files are updated
6045 Aug 31, 2007   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] all cuts are in; 1959 files are updated
6046 Aug 31, 2007   Alan Boodman   draft procedure - PLEASE READ
6047 Aug 31, 2007   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] all cuts are in; 1959 files are updated
6048 Aug 31, 2007   Alan Boodman   1959 draft page is up
6049 Aug 31, 2007   Alan Boodman   the 1959 draft begins (unofficially)
6050 Sep 3, 2007   Alan Boodman   reminder: draft begins tomorrow
6051 Sep 3, 2007   Michael Rescigno   Cardinals select
6052 Sep 3, 2007   Alan Boodman   White Sox are up
6053 Sep 3, 2007   Ronald Tidrow   Re: [PreSmiley] White Sox are up
6054 Sep 3, 2007   Dennis Van Langen   Pirates pick
6055 Sep 3, 2007   Alan Boodman   Dodgers are up
6056 Sep 3, 2007   Alan Boodman   Orioles are up
6057 Sep 3, 2007   Rob Tomlinson   ORIOLES SELECT
6058 Sep 3, 2007   Jeff Tripodi   Braves select
6059 Sep 4, 2007   Michael Petersen   BOSTON selects Billy O'Dell, P
6060 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   1959 draft begins (officially) - Yankees are on the clock
6061 Sep 4, 2007   Billy Vanson   Yankees selection, Chicago Cubs up
6062 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   Cubs pick, A's are on the clock
6063 Sep 4, 2007   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [PreSmiley] A's select Don Blasingame-Reds up
6064 Sep 4, 2007   Larry Cupp   Redlegs pick, Nats are up
6065 Sep 4, 2007   Rick Field   Senators Pick
6066 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   Tigers are on the clock
6067 Sep 4, 2007   Thomas Austad   Re: [PreSmiley] Tigers are on the clock
6068 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   Cardinals are on the clock
6069 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   files updated
6070 Sep 4, 2007   Larry Reeves   Re: [PreSmiley] Giants select Bob Nieman - Cards up
6071 Sep 4, 2007   Michael Rescigno   Re: [PreSmiley] Cardinals are on the clock
6072 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   White Sox are on the clock
6073 Sep 4, 2007   Ronald Tidrow   WSox pick Hamner
6074 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   Pirates are on the clock
6075 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   Dodgers are on the clock
6076 Sep 4, 2007   Robert Rescigno   LA Dodgers select
6077 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   Orioles are on the clock
6078 Sep 4, 2007   Rob Tomlinson   ORIOLES SELECT
6079 Sep 4, 2007   Alan Boodman   Braves are on the clock
6080 Sep 5, 2007   Alan Boodman   Braves are skipped; Red Sox are on the clock
6081 Sep 5, 2007   Michael Petersen   Red Sox selection
6082 Sep 5, 2007   Alan Boodman   Yankees are on the clock
6083 Sep 5, 2007   Jeff Tripodi   Fwd: Braves select Gene Freese
6084 Sep 5, 2007   Alan Boodman   always cc me on draft picks
6085 Sep 5, 2007   Billy Vanson   NY Yankees selection
6086 Sep 5, 2007   Michael Petersen   Red Sox Selection
6087 Sep 5, 2007   Alan Boodman   A's are on the clock
6088 Sep 5, 2007   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [PreSmiley] A's select Bill Henry-Reds up
6089 Sep 5, 2007   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock
6090 Sep 5, 2007   Dennis Van Langen   Re: [PreSmiley] A's select Bill Henry-Reds up
6091 Sep 5, 2007   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Reds are on the clock
6092 Sep 5, 2007   Alan Boodman   Senators are on the clock
6093 Sep 5, 2007   Alan Boodman   Senators skipped; Tigers pick; Giants are on the clock
6094 Sep 5, 2007   Larry Reeves   Giants select Leo Kiely
6095 Sep 5, 2007   Rick Field   Senators Pick
6096 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Pirates select; Dodgers are on the clock
6097 Sep 6, 2007   Robert Rescigno   LA Dodgers select
6098 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Orioles are on the clock
6099 Sep 6, 2007   Rob Tomlinson   Re: Fw: [PreSmiley] Orioles are on the clock
6100 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Braves are on the clock
6101 Sep 6, 2007   Jeff Tripodi   Braves take Billy Martin
6102 Sep 6, 2007   Michael Petersen   Red Sox selection
6103 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Red Sox are on the clock
6104 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Cubs pick; A's are on the clock
6105 Sep 6, 2007   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [PreSmiley] A's select Carl Sawatski-Reds up
6106 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock
6107 Sep 6, 2007   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Reds are on the clock
6108 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Tigers are on the clock
6109 Sep 6, 2007   Thomas Austad   Re: [PreSmiley] Tigers are on the clock
6110 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   files updated
6111 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Cardinals are on the clock
6112 Sep 6, 2007   Michael Rescigno   Re: [PreSmiley] Cardinals select
6113 Sep 6, 2007   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Tigers are on the clock
6114 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   White Sox are on the clock
6115 Sep 6, 2007   Ronald Tidrow   Re: [PreSmiley] White Sox PICK
6116 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Pirates are on the clock
6117 Sep 6, 2007   Alan Boodman   Pirates pick; Dodgers are on the clock
6118 Sep 7, 2007   Robert Rescigno   Dodgers get a Klu
6119 Sep 7, 2007   Alan Boodman   Orioles are on the clock
6120 Sep 7, 2007   Rob Tomlinson   Re: [PreSmiley] Orioles are on the clock
6121 Sep 7, 2007   Michael Petersen   Red Sox selection
6122 Sep 7, 2007   Alan Boodman   Yankees are on the clock
6123 Sep 7, 2007   Billy Vanson   up to date file
6124 Sep 7, 2007   Billy Vanson   NY Yankees select
6125 Sep 7, 2007   Larry Reeves   Re: [PreSmiley] up to date file
6126 Sep 7, 2007   Alan Boodman   Cubs pick; A's are on the clock
6127 Sep 7, 2007   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [PreSmiley] A's select Dave Philley-Reds up
6128 Sep 7, 2007   Alan Boodman   Reds are on the clock
6129 Sep 7, 2007   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Reds are on the clock
6130 Sep 7, 2007   Alan Boodman   Senators pick to be posted later
6131 Sep 7, 2007   Alan Boodman   WAA and DEA pick; GIants are on the clock
6132 Sep 7, 2007   Larry Reeves   GIants select


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Message #: 6032
Message from: Billy Vanson
Sent: Aug 22, 2007
Subject: sad day in Orioles history

Kevin Cowherd
August 22, 2007

Iam not going to tell you "Wild Bill" Hagy was a choirboy, because someone who guzzles nine or 10 Budweisers and shot-puts his cooler from the upper deck of a stadium before being led away in handcuffs probably doesn't qualify for that.

"Drinking nine or 10 beers, you get a little impulsive" was how he explained that crazy cooler-toss, his personal Gandhi moment back in 1985, when he protested the Orioles' new policy prohibiting fans from taking beer into Memorial Stadium.

So there will be no attempt here to canonize Hagy, who died Monday at age 68 and was once the most famous baseball fan in the country.

But if you were around on summer nights in the late '70s and early '80s, when Orioles Magic was at its height, and a great bear of a man with a straw hat and burlap beard and beach-ball gut led the "Roar from 34," you know how passionate baseball fans used to be in this town.

You go to Orioles games at Camden Yards now and it's so quiet you could study for the law boards.

The fans talk on cell phones and wave and mouth "Can you see me?" to their friends back home when the TV cameras are on them.

The fans now talk about where they went on vacation and how the housing market is killing them, then they go off in search of nachos or Dippin' Dots or fancy microbrews.

In between innings, they dance and sing and get all fired up about which crab has the baseball or which hot dog wins the footrace on those goofy scoreboard games.

And maybe there's nothing wrong with that, except it sure would be nice to see people get fired up about what's happening on the field.

Um, isn't that sort of why we're there?

Here's how bad it's gotten at Camden Yards: Fans now have to be told when to cheer.

The scoreboard has to light up with "Let's hear it, O's fans!" or some kind of nonsense like that.

Usually only then do you get any life from the stands, any cheering and clapping.

And it's not the great, pure roar that "Wild Bill" Hagy could summon when he lurched to his feet in the old stadium, with a couple of six-packs sloshing around in his belly.

He'd take off his hat and wave it over his head, and the roar would get louder, so loud your ears would hurt.

After that he'd encircle both arms over his head and the crowd would roar: "O!"

Then he'd contort his body into some other unearthly shape that involved balancing on one shaky leg and hooking his arm until his fist rested against his forehead, and the crowd would roar: "R!"

And by the time he spelled out "O-R-I-O-L-E-S!" - you try doing this after swilling Anheuser-Busch products for three hours - it would be so loud, you thought the place would explode.

It's a different era now, I realize that. It's much harder to be an O's fan.

For one thing, the Orioles have flat-out stunk for the past 10 seasons. So it's hard to get fired up when you see Aubrey Huff wave the bat listlessly at strike three, or when Jay Payton back-pedals furiously and loses a fly ball your grandmother could handle, no sweat.

For another thing, players don't stick with one team as long - and inspire as much fan loyalty - as they did back when "Wild Bill" was the high priest of Section 34.

Back then the O's had Cal and Eddie, Singleton and Dempsey, Palmer, Flanagan and McGregor, great players who seemed to be around year after year, led by a miniature Rottweiler in the dugout named Earl Weaver, who was only the best manager in baseball.

What fan wouldn't be enthralled with those teams?
It was exciting baseball built on the holy concepts of pitching, fielding and three-run homers.

And it turned a humble cab driver from Dundalk named Bill Hagy into an uber-fan, who was first hooked on the Orioles in his 20s when he watched the great championship teams of Frank Robinson, Brooks Robinson, Boog Powell and the rest.

Which makes you wonder where the next generation of Orioles superfans will come from, since a legacy of 10 straight losing seasons won't exactly instill such devotion for the hometown team.

Besides, now, as we all know, the upscale, corporate atmosphere at Camden Yards attracts a different kind of fan from the ones that were once wild-eyed disciples of "Wild Bill" Hagy.

The blue-collar fans, the unpretentious, un-self-conscious fans who will stand and scream for their team for nine innings, seem to show up at the ballpark less and less.

And Camden Yards grows quieter and quieter every year. It's all a little sad, isn't it?

And when you remember how great it was to go to a ballgame when Orioles Magic was in the air and "Wild Bill" Hagy summoned a nightly avalanche of noise from an old stadium on 33rd Street, it makes it that much sadder.


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Wild Bill Hagy died today. August 20, 2007
Wild Bill and his rowdy friends could be found in Baltimore's old Memorial Stadium's Section 34, the upper deck between
Wild Bill and the Section 34 rowdies.
Wild Bill and the Section 34 rowdies.
first base and right field. In the 1970s and 1980s - the Birds' glory years - Hagy and his pals would brings huge, construction crew-style water coolers full of beer to the stadium. Hagy would get loaded and, in the late innings, get up and lead his section in a loud cheer.
He'd get up, wave his arms around, getting everybody ready. And then he'd start. "O!" the fans yelled when Wild Bill made his arms into a big circle above his head. Then it got tricky. "R!" Wild Bill kind of contorted himself, tipping over a little, until his body could be said to form the shape of the letter R. "I!" was a pretty easy one. "O!" again. Hagy's "L" was pretty recognizable. And by the time E and S came along, you were ready to forgive Wild Bill if he didn't exactly look like those letters.
His big gut, his long beard, his little straw cowboy hat. By day, Hagy was a cabdriver from the city's east side. But at night, he was a legend. In the Orioles' dominant years, Hagy was a fixture at the ballpark.
But he and the Orioles had an ugly falling out. When the team made a rule prohibiting fans from bringing their own beer (can you even imagine that today?), Hagy staged a protest. During one of the last games before the ban, Hagy and his buddies finished their big orange plastic cooler full of suds - and hurled it out of the upper deck and into fair territory.
When Camden Yards came along, it was clear that it wasn't built for people like Wild Bill. It was built for corporate Baltimore (and pre-Nats Washington) and guys in golf shirts with cellphones in their ears - people Bill drove around in his cab. Nobody saw Hagy at the park for years. Then, all of a sudden, there he was. In 1994, one of Wild Bill's cab fares gave him a couple box seats. And word spread around the city - "Wild Bill's back!" And he was. Every now and then, the O's would ask him to get up on the dugout and do his thing.
Chubbier and grayer, he obliged and the fans loved it.
If you have a minute, do yourself a favor and check out this interesting and touching collection of Wild Bill memories on a Baltimore Sun reporter's blog.

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