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# Date Sender Subject 7640 Aug 29, 2003   Steve Bivens   Re: [SmileyList] Rule Discussion 7641 Aug 29, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: [SmileyList] Rule Discussion 7642 Aug 29, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Detroit needs a pitcher 7643 Aug 29, 2003   Alan Boodman   approved trade 7644 Aug 30, 2003   Michael Tomeo   Boston preview 7645 Aug 30, 2003   Thomas Austad   Atlanta Braves Preview 7646 Aug 31, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Get the Tigers Preview Here! 7647 Aug 31, 2003   Michael Tomeo   RE: [SmileyList] Get the Tigers Preview Here! 7648 Aug 31, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: [SmileyList] Get the Tigers Preview Here! 7649 Aug 31, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [SmileyList] Get the Tigers Preview Here! 7650 Aug 31, 2003   Mike Rodriguez   Re: [SmileyList] Get the Tigers Preview Here! 7651 Aug 31, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   OAA 1974 Preview 7652 Sep 1, 2003   Alan Boodman   Week 1 trades 7653 Sep 1, 2003   Alan Boodman   official trade 7654 Sep 1, 2003   Alan Boodman   Approved trade 7655 Sep 2, 2003   Alan Boodman   approved trade 7656 Sep 2, 2003   Alan Boodman   1974 files updated 7657 Sep 2, 2003   Alan Boodman   Player Status page updated 7658 Sep 2, 2003   Ben Lea   White Sox mini-trade-flyer 7659 Sep 2, 2003   Alan Boodman   Billingham on the block 7660 Sep 2, 2003   Chris Colucci   Mets CM 7661 Sep 2, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [SmileyList] Mets CM 7662 Sep 2, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   OAA CM Week 1 7663 Sep 2, 2003   Michael Rescigno   Baltimore WK 1 CM 7664 Sep 2, 2003   Thomas Austad   Atlanta CM week 1 7665 Sep 2, 2003   Scott Campbell   Starter Rest Discussion 7666 Sep 3, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [SmileyList] Starter Rest Discussion 7667 Sep 3, 2003   Michael Tomeo   boa,sdn managers 7668 Sep 3, 2003   Scott Campbell   Re: [SmileyList] Starter Rest Discussion 7669 Sep 3, 2003   Michael Tomeo   RE: [SmileyList] Starter Rest Discussion 7670 Sep 3, 2003   Ben Lea   Re: [SmileyList] Starter Rest Discussion 7671 Sep 3, 2003   Steve Bivens   Starter Discussion cont. 7672 Sep 3, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [SmileyList] Starter Rest Discussion 7673 Sep 3, 2003   Scott Campbell   Re: [SmileyList] Starter Rest Discussion 7674 Sep 3, 2003   Chris Kohlwes   Yankees Trade Flier 7675 Sep 4, 2003   Ben Lea   RE: [SmileyList] Starter Discussion cont. 7676 Sep 5, 2003   Derek Jones   Cards CM 7677 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   Week 1 CMs 7678 Sep 5, 2003   Michael Tomeo   20 game losers 7679 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Week 1 CMs not yet received 7680 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Bosslet   Emailing: chn7401.MGR 7681 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Bivens   Montreal Manager 7682 Sep 7, 2003   Alan Boodman   Week 1 begins 7683 Sep 7, 2003   Mike Rodriguez   KC @ OAK 7684 Sep 7, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   DEA at BAA_004-007 7685 Sep 7, 2003   Alan Boodman   Reds @ Braves 7686 Sep 7, 2003   Thomas Austad   Braves @ Pirates 7687 Sep 7, 2003   Thomas Austad   Braves week 2 CM 7688 Sep 7, 2003   Ben Lea   White Sox @ Twins 7689 Sep 7, 2003   Michael Tomeo   boa@dea 7690 Sep 7, 2003   Scott Campbell   La at Cin 7691 Sep 7, 2003   Scott Campbell   New LA CM for Interval 2 7692 Sep 7, 2003   Chris Colucci   NYN at SDN 7693 Sep 7, 2003   Darren Dawson   pittsburgh @ St. Louis -- April 1-3, 1974 7694 Sep 7, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [SmileyList] Week 1 OAA-CHA 7695 Sep 7, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [SmileyList] Week 2 CM OAA 7696 Sep 7, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [SmileyList] Week 2 CM OAA 7697 Sep 7, 2003   Chris Kohlwes   Yankees week 1 CM 7698 Sep 8, 2003   Chris Colucci   Mets CM 7699 Sep 8, 2003   Bob Mittleman   Emailing: 1974 SFN@LAN01 7700 Sep 8, 2003   Bob Mittleman   Emailing: SFN02.MGR 7701 Sep 8, 2003   Michael Tomeo   sdn@sfn 7702 Sep 9, 2003   Rick Ramacier   Re: [SmileyList] Week 1 begins: MNA@BOA 7703 Sep 10, 2003   Dave Jackson   Milwaukee @ Yankees 7704 Sep 11, 2003   Derek Jones   Cards - Expos results 7705 Sep 12, 2003   Chris Kohlwes   Yankees at Rangers 7706 Sep 12, 2003   Larry Cupp   The eyes of Texas are upon you 7707 Sep 13, 2003   Alan Boodman   Week 1 update and NYA-TEA results 7708 Sep 13, 2003   Alan Bosslet   Emailing: BOX0004 7709 Sep 13, 2003   Michael Tomeo   RE: [SmileyList] Emailing: BOX0004 7710 Sep 13, 2003   Steve Bivens   Montreal at Chicago Week 1 7711 Sep 13, 2003   Dave Jackson   Week 2 CM 7712 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   FW: CHN-NYN results, with game files 7713 Sep 14, 2003   Michael Rescigno   BAA@MLA WK 1.zip 7714 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Bosslet   Emailing: PAC0001 7715 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Week 2 begins 7716 Sep 14, 2003   SmileyList@yahoogroups.com   New file uploaded to SmileyList 7717 Sep 14, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Attn: Milwaukee Brewers 7718 Sep 14, 2003   Michael Rescigno   Baltimore wk 2 CM 7719 Sep 14, 2003   Thomas Austad   Braves @ Dodgers 7720 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Reds @ Expos 7721 Sep 14, 2003   Mike Rodriguez   KC @ MIN 7722 Sep 14, 2003   Thomas Austad   Braves CM week 3 7723 Sep 14, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Bad news (e-mail); good news (Tigers!) 7724 Sep 14, 2003   SmileyList@yahoogroups.com   New file uploaded to SmileyList 7725 Sep 14, 2003   Ben Lea   White Sox @ Orioles 7726 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Bivens   Montreal at Pittsburgh Week 2 7727 Sep 14, 2003   Michael Tomeo   sdn@cin 7728 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Bosslet   Emailing: chn7402.MGR 7729 Sep 14, 2003   Chris Colucci   Mets at Cubs 7730 Sep 14, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [SmileyList] Week 2 OAA-TEA 7731 Sep 14, 2003   Rick Ramacier   Re: [SmileyList] Week 2 MNA@OAA 7732 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   NYN-CHN, game 1 7733 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   NYN-CHN, games 2 & 3 7734 Sep 14, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   test 7735 Sep 14, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Re: [SmileyList] White Sox @ Orioles 7736 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   Fw: White Sox @ Orioles 7737 Sep 15, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [SmileyList] Week 3 CM OAA 7738 Sep 15, 2003   Andrew Kennedy   Re: [SmileyList] Week 3 FA Wish List 7739 Sep 15, 2003   Chris Colucci   Re: [SmileyList] NYN-CHN, games 2 & 3 7740 Sep 15, 2003   Chris Colucci   Mets Cm

Previous message                 Next message Message #: 7640 Message from: Steve Bivens Sent: Aug 29, 2003 Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Rule Discussion Gentlemen, This is interesting. I assumed all managers used the scheduled stater function. I wonder then why we give the home teams five days off and not the visiting teams? What is this accomplishing? I assumed (I know, there's that word again) that this allowed the home teams an advantage, because the visiting team had to be mindful of starters or relievers who might be fatigued. Now that I think about it, I don't recall if this is the actual case or not. I do know that I always treated the scheduled games as if they were played consecutively...meaning I made sure starters had 3 or 4 games off between starts regardless of what series was being played or how the starts overlapped from series to series. I admit that I did this on my own and that there are no "rules" govenoring it. I would be in support of adhering to a starter schedule if so proposed. My two cents, Steve Bivens Original Message: ----------------- From: shcampbell@... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:04:40 -0400 To: alan.boodman@... ("Alan Boodman"), SmileyList@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Rule Discussion Alan, My comment in regard to unrealistic usage by SP was not in the total # of starts in a season but in a pitcher being able to possibly start back to back scheduled games (last game in one series and the first game in the next series). That just doesn't happen. In regards to enforcing it, it's enforceable as much as any other basic rule that a league member abides by. If a league prevents a player from playing out of position then a manager knows not to play the guy out of position. If the guy breaks the rules the league might catch it or they might not. But you have to hope everyone is abiding by the rules of the league. The same with SP that must rest 3 or 4 days. When the manager creates his Manager file he inputs the pitchers that are starting for both road and home games with the proper amount of rest (taking into account the previous weeks start schedule). If you really want to monitor it you can check everyones CM and then match it to the boxscores but I wouldn't think that is needed. Tom in the 20thCBRL created that days off schedule prior to Strat changing the CM so you could enter a rotation. Before you only has the Starter # 1, # 2 # 3, etc... By giving the complete rest to teams before a series you clear all starters to start but the rotation should have been set up so no one starts before their allotted day. The same concept as what most leagues used to do before we even had CM's to make as people wrote out instructions for their opponent. The rotation was still set up with the proper rest for the SP. Scott <<Scott, 1. We already limit total GS by pitchers, hence there is no "unrealistic usage" overall, and 2. I see no effective way to enforce it. There had been some recent discussion in the 20thCBRL about pitchers rest: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOM20th/message/15987 ...and I do see what Rich is talking about as a problem (and the solution is very simple); I adopted the "road team gets rest only" approach simply because that was how Tom did it, therefore it must work. Would giving both teams 5 days off address what you are talking about here? Perhaps not address it precisely, but would it help? I see very little than can be done beyond that. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: shcampbell@... To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:35 AM Subject: [SmileyList] Rule Discussion Hi Guys I recently discovered that Smiley does not require starters to rest the normal # of days (either 3 or 4) between starts other then in the series you are playing. In other words, a starter can pitch in Game 4 of one series and Game 1 of the next series (in other words back to back days). To me this is very unrealistic and gives the manager playing the games an advantage by being able to match up his pitchers how he sees fit, with no bearing on when the pitcher is pitching the following series. I was a little surprised as the change in Strat several years ago so we could slot starters for each game in a series seemed to have given Strat players the ability to make sure pitchers rested the proper amount of games. In all other leagues I am in that use the scheduled games feature (4 leagues) pitchers must rest the appropriate amount of games as defined by the schedule (either 3 or 4 depending if an *). All these leagues reset the rest before each interval but teams must set the rotation with the proper rest given to each starter. I hope we adopt this as well to prevent unrealistic usage of Starting Pitchers. 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