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| 9893 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 9894 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
sdn@chn |
| 9895 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Ben Lea |
Breaking my own rule... |
| 9896 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
Keep talking Folks.......keeps the blood flowing....... |
| 9897 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [SmileyList] Keep talking Folks.......keeps the blood flowing....... |
| 9898 |
Oct 3, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
NYA @ KCA + CM for week 5 |
| 9899 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
Reds take |
| 9900 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Dodgers |
| 9901 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 9902 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
results of Los Angeles vs Pittburgh |
| 9903 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Bob Mittleman |
Emailing: 1976 Smiley SFN @ MON |
| 9904 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
boa@nya |
| 9905 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets sweep Braves |
| 9906 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Michael Rescigno |
BAA@MLA WK 4.zip & WK 5 CM |
| 9907 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
both leagues are on hold |
| 9908 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] both leagues are on hold |
| 9909 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] both leagues are on hold |
| 9910 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] both leagues are on hold |
| 9911 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
twins rangers results and new twins mgr for next week |
| 9912 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Question |
| 9913 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Derek Jones |
Alan |
| 9914 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
week 4 update |
| 9915 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
LOS ANGELES in week 5 |
| 9916 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
RE: [SmileyList] week 4 update |
| 9917 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
SLN at CIN week 4 results |
| 9918 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] week 4 update |
| 9919 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
Pittsburgh @ New York -- week 4 |
| 9920 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
RE: [SmileyList] week 4 update |
| 9921 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs take 3 of 4 from Giants |
| 9922 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
Brewers CM week 5 |
| 9923 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
I'm back! |
| 9924 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
SLN-CIN, games 2 & 3 |
| 9925 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 5 begins |
| 9926 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] Week 5 begins |
| 9927 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] Week 5 begins |
| 9928 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 begins |
| 9929 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA wk 5 CM |
| 9930 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Dennis Van Langen |
Attn: Baltimore manager -- Detroit computer manager |
| 9931 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Attn: OAA CM vs Detroit |
| 9932 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Attn: OAA CM vs Detroit |
| 9933 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Ben Lea |
Openings in current-year simulation league |
| 9934 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves CM is ok to play with |
| 9935 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
does san diego need a manager this week ??? |
| 9936 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
WAIT!..Cardinals, Please import this CM |
| 9937 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 Garry Maddox hitting streak |
| 9938 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
if you did not send a CM for Week 5... |
| 9939 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs CM - Please use if possible |
| 9940 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves @ Giants |
| 9941 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Expos at Reds |
| 9942 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets and Expos split at Parc' Jarry |
| 9943 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
results of Los Angeles down San Diego way........ |
| 9944 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 OAA @ TEA |
| 9945 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets Week 6 CM |
| 9946 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 OAA @ TEA-Resending |
| 9947 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Question II |
| 9948 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] if you did not send a CM for Week 5... |
| 9949 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Dennis Van Langen |
DEA at OAA_29-31 |
| 9950 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] OAA CM Week 6 |
| 9951 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
sdn@nyn |
| 9952 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [SmileyList] Question II |
| 9953 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Cardinals |
| 9954 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Fw: White Sox @ Baltimore |
| 9955 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA sweeps NYA - MIRACLE |
| 9956 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs Sweep Dodgers - 2 shutouts(must be a first in Cub Strat History) |
| 9957 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
boa@kca |
| 9958 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9959 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9960 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves Week 6 CM |
| 9961 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9962 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9963 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9964 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
results |
| 9965 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
MLA @ BOA |
| 9966 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
BAA-DEA autoplay |
| 9967 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 5 update |
| 9968 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA CM |
| 9969 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Bob Mittleman |
Emailing: 1976 Smiley SFN @ PIN |
| 9970 |
Oct 16, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
NYA @ MIN + CM |
| 9971 |
Oct 16, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
Twins at Chisox |
| 9972 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
PIN-CHN autoplay |
| 9973 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
trade? minnesota twins seek starting pitcher |
| 9974 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 6 begins |
| 9975 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves @ Dodgers |
| 9976 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves week 7 CM |
| 9977 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Cubs sweep Cardinals in disgusting fashion |
| 9978 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Expos |
| 9979 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] Cubs sweep Cardinals in disgusting fashion |
| 9980 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Dennis Van Langen |
DEA at MNA_36-38 |
| 9981 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
montreal @ pittsburgh |
| 9982 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
pittsburgh week 6 mgr |
| 9983 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 6 OAA @ NYA |
| 9984 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA takes 2 of 3 vs. BOA |
| 9985 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
MIL CM week 6 |
| 9986 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Expos at Pirates |
| 9987 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets Sweep Padres! |
| 9988 |
Oct 18, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
approved trade & disbanding of trade committee |
| 9989 |
Oct 18, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
results of Los Angeles in St Louis............... |
| 9990 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
Twins at A's results |
| 9991 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Same OAA's CM for Week 7 |
| 9992 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
BALT CM |
| 9993 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
NYADEAT39-42 |
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Message #: 9893
Message from: Steve Dewing
Sent: Oct 3, 2004
Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons
I will give my .02 and please keep in mind that it's just my opinion and I feel it makes for a more interesting league if matters like these can be discussed without too much rancor. As far as the Burroughs trade goes I don't think it matters one whit what the real-life trade is. The reason it even comes into play is because the Dick Allen Rule makes it advantageous for teams to involve the same players if possible. Personally I wouldn't have traded Burroughs for Devine because I would rather suffer the minor loss (not having Devine next year) for the major benefit for the league of having Burroughs available next year in the draft and the small possibility that I could get him back then (or Gary Matthews, whichever guy ATN chose not to claim). I'm not claiming any moral high ground here, I'm sure if I was the ATN manager I would have taken the deal without reservation. I just wouldn't have had the "seeds" to propose it. Since you brought it up I feel obligated to opine on the Robinson/Pappas trade in PreSMILEY... My understanding is that you offered Pappas straight up for Robinson. I remember my brother asking me about it and I suggested that since Robinson (a twelve year player, 1956-1967at the time, and a 8 time all-star) was obviously a bit better than Pappas (1958-1967 2-time all-star) that maybe he could get a little more for Robby. When he suggested Pappas AND Jim McGlothlin (1967 one-year wonder) you responded by offering Pappas OR McGlothlin. His offer was reasonable and yours was not. So please let's not try to perpetuate the idea any longer that he "balked" at a reasonable offer. Anyway, I checked out the history of the real-life trade and from what I pieced together it was very interesting. Days before the trade the Orioles sent Jackie Brandt to PHN for Jack Baldschun ( a nice reliever who probably will go in the 3rd round of the 1965 pre SMILEY draft) and sent Norm Siebern to California for Dick Simpson. They then sent Pappas, Simpson, and Baldschun to the Reds for Robinson. It most definitely was not Pappas for Robinson straight up. What's done is done however and Baltimore's and Cincy's loss is the league's gain. Robinson and Pappas will go in the top 4 and it made the draft probably as strong as any we'll see in PreSMILEY. Now Larry, as far as Texas goes I would think that they are in a wonderful position to benefit from claims and the DAR.There were alot of "name" players passing through Texas in the late 70s for sure. Zisk, Oliver, C Washington, Bonds, Staub, Horton, Matlack, Alexander, Ellis, and Medich to name a few off-hand. You can't convince me with your "woe is me" statement. Although we disagree on most things I do consider you to be a very savvy GM in both leagues, except for the previously discussed mis-step on the Robinson deal. I will admit though that without the trading of draft picks (!) and the with the ability to "claim" it does change the trading landscape quite a bit so I may be a little out of step with SMILEY which is why I posted the "opinion" disclaimer to start this message. Regards, Steve SMILEY Cardinals Pre-SMILEY Tigers and Mets ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [SmileyList] Trade reasons
The Rangers lose Burroughs (who has stunk for us so far in Smiley) at the end of 1976. In 77 he goes to the Braves. The actual ML trade on December 9, 1976 was Burroughs for Ken Henderson, Dave May, Carl Morton, Roger Moret, and Adrian Devine. In 1977 Texas had their best record in history 94-68. We won't have another chance to contend until 1996 when the Rangers were 92-70 in real life. So with the Smiley Braves only owning Devine and Morton and Morton retiring after the 1976 season, this was the best we could do. In PreSmiley I tried to make the Pappas for Frank Robinson deal, but the other owner balked and now we can stuff both of those guys, you know where. Devine will give us 106 useful innings next year and Burroughs goes to the other league. When you have a poor franchise like this one, you aim for certain years when you can take a shot. __________________________________________________
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