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| 9901 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons |
| 9902 |
Oct 4, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
results of Los Angeles vs Pittburgh |
| 9903 |
Oct 6, 2004 |
Bob Mittleman |
Emailing: 1976 Smiley SFN @ MON |
| 9904 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
boa@nya |
| 9905 |
Oct 7, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets sweep Braves |
| 9906 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Michael Rescigno |
BAA@MLA WK 4.zip & WK 5 CM |
| 9907 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
both leagues are on hold |
| 9908 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] both leagues are on hold |
| 9909 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] both leagues are on hold |
| 9910 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Ben Lea |
RE: [SmileyList] both leagues are on hold |
| 9911 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
twins rangers results and new twins mgr for next week |
| 9912 |
Oct 8, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Question |
| 9913 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Derek Jones |
Alan |
| 9914 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
week 4 update |
| 9915 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
LOS ANGELES in week 5 |
| 9916 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
RE: [SmileyList] week 4 update |
| 9917 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
SLN at CIN week 4 results |
| 9918 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] week 4 update |
| 9919 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
Pittsburgh @ New York -- week 4 |
| 9920 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
RE: [SmileyList] week 4 update |
| 9921 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs take 3 of 4 from Giants |
| 9922 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
Brewers CM week 5 |
| 9923 |
Oct 9, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
I'm back! |
| 9924 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
SLN-CIN, games 2 & 3 |
| 9925 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 5 begins |
| 9926 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] Week 5 begins |
| 9927 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] Week 5 begins |
| 9928 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 begins |
| 9929 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA wk 5 CM |
| 9930 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Dennis Van Langen |
Attn: Baltimore manager -- Detroit computer manager |
| 9931 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Attn: OAA CM vs Detroit |
| 9932 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Attn: OAA CM vs Detroit |
| 9933 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Ben Lea |
Openings in current-year simulation league |
| 9934 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves CM is ok to play with |
| 9935 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
does san diego need a manager this week ??? |
| 9936 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
WAIT!..Cardinals, Please import this CM |
| 9937 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 Garry Maddox hitting streak |
| 9938 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
if you did not send a CM for Week 5... |
| 9939 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs CM - Please use if possible |
| 9940 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves @ Giants |
| 9941 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Expos at Reds |
| 9942 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets and Expos split at Parc' Jarry |
| 9943 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
results of Los Angeles down San Diego way........ |
| 9944 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 OAA @ TEA |
| 9945 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets Week 6 CM |
| 9946 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 5 OAA @ TEA-Resending |
| 9947 |
Oct 10, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Question II |
| 9948 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] if you did not send a CM for Week 5... |
| 9949 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Dennis Van Langen |
DEA at OAA_29-31 |
| 9950 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] OAA CM Week 6 |
| 9951 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
sdn@nyn |
| 9952 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [SmileyList] Question II |
| 9953 |
Oct 11, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Cardinals |
| 9954 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Fw: White Sox @ Baltimore |
| 9955 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA sweeps NYA - MIRACLE |
| 9956 |
Oct 12, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Cubs Sweep Dodgers - 2 shutouts(must be a first in Cub Strat History) |
| 9957 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
boa@kca |
| 9958 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9959 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9960 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves Week 6 CM |
| 9961 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9962 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9963 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Re: [SmileyList] Cardinals at Braves week 5 results |
| 9964 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
results |
| 9965 |
Oct 13, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
MLA @ BOA |
| 9966 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
BAA-DEA autoplay |
| 9967 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 5 update |
| 9968 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA CM |
| 9969 |
Oct 15, 2004 |
Bob Mittleman |
Emailing: 1976 Smiley SFN @ PIN |
| 9970 |
Oct 16, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
NYA @ MIN + CM |
| 9971 |
Oct 16, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
Twins at Chisox |
| 9972 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
PIN-CHN autoplay |
| 9973 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
trade? minnesota twins seek starting pitcher |
| 9974 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Week 6 begins |
| 9975 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves @ Dodgers |
| 9976 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Thomas Austad |
Braves week 7 CM |
| 9977 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Steve Dewing |
Cubs sweep Cardinals in disgusting fashion |
| 9978 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Reds @ Expos |
| 9979 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Alan Bosslet |
Re: [SmileyList] Cubs sweep Cardinals in disgusting fashion |
| 9980 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Dennis Van Langen |
DEA at MNA_36-38 |
| 9981 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
montreal @ pittsburgh |
| 9982 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Darren Dawson |
pittsburgh week 6 mgr |
| 9983 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Week 6 OAA @ NYA |
| 9984 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Gary Dewing |
KCA takes 2 of 3 vs. BOA |
| 9985 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
MIL CM week 6 |
| 9986 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Steve Bivens |
Expos at Pirates |
| 9987 |
Oct 17, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Mets Sweep Padres! |
| 9988 |
Oct 18, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
approved trade & disbanding of trade committee |
| 9989 |
Oct 18, 2004 |
Billy Vanson |
results of Los Angeles in St Louis............... |
| 9990 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Jim Taglia |
Twins at A's results |
| 9991 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Andrew Kennedy |
Re: [SmileyList] Same OAA's CM for Week 7 |
| 9992 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
BALT CM |
| 9993 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
NYADEAT39-42 |
| 9994 |
Oct 19, 2004 |
Robert Rescigno |
NYA CM wk 7 |
| 9995 |
Oct 20, 2004 |
Larry Cupp |
results |
| 9996 |
Oct 20, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
RE: [SmileyList] BALT CM |
| 9997 |
Oct 20, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
boa@baa |
| 9998 |
Oct 20, 2004 |
Dave Jackson |
Milwaukee @ Texas |
| 9999 |
Oct 21, 2004 |
Michael Tomeo |
sdn@cin |
| 10000 |
Oct 22, 2004 |
Alan Boodman |
Fw: 1967 world series |
| 10001 |
Oct 22, 2004 |
Jonathan Fellows |
Re: [PreSmiley] Fw: 1967 world series |
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Message #: 9901
Message from: Steve Bivens
Sent: Oct 4, 2004
Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons
My thoughts on this subject...
It is important to note that we cannot trade for draft picks in this
league. This narrows a teams opportunity to improve through trades. Then
you add the Claim Rule and the "Dick Allen" rule and you make it even MORE
difficult. And then if you screw up and forfeit your first round pick then
you are royally...uh...unfortunate!! LOL...
I can see where Larry would want to get something for Burroughs if he is
planning on making a run at his division next season. I don't believe that
the "real-life" trade has any bearing on the trade he makes either, except
that it is obvious that Atlanta has more to gain by trading for Burroughs.
I had a similar situation when I attempted to trade Larry Gura to Kansas
City. The KC manager at that time offered me Doyle Alexander. I didn't
have much need for Alexander so I passed. I would rather make K.C. burn a
first round pick on Gura than take a player that I would have little use
for and end up losing after one year. So be it. No harm, no foul, nothing
personal.
Taking this one step further, I personally believe that managers who have
been in the league for a specific period of time should no longer have to
submit trades to a committee. I don't care the who, what, where or whys of
a trade as long as I know that a manager is going to stick around to pay
his dues when he makes a poor trade.
I may not like how certain trades effect my pennant chances, but that's
kind of how it works out in real life, isn't it?
Steve B.
By the way, I personally enjoy the banter!
Original Message:
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From: Steve Dewing dewing19@...
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:39:51 -0500
To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com, PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SmileyList] Trade reasons
I will give my .02 and please keep in mind that it's just my opinion and I
feel it makes for a more interesting league if matters like these can be
discussed without too much rancor.
As far as the Burroughs trade goes I don't think it matters one whit what
the real-life trade is. The reason it even comes into play is because the
Dick Allen Rule makes it advantageous for teams to involve the same players
if possible. Personally I wouldn't have traded Burroughs for Devine because
I would rather suffer the minor loss (not having Devine next year) for the
major benefit for the league of having Burroughs available next year in the
draft and the small possibility that I could get him back then (or Gary
Matthews, whichever guy ATN chose not to claim). I'm not claiming any moral
high ground here, I'm sure if I was the ATN manager I would have taken the
deal without reservation. I just wouldn't have had the "seeds" to propose
it.
Since you brought it up I feel obligated to opine on the Robinson/Pappas
trade in PreSMILEY...
My understanding is that you offered Pappas straight up for Robinson. I
remember my brother asking me about it and I suggested that since Robinson
(a twelve year player, 1956-1967at the time, and a 8 time all-star) was
obviously a bit better than Pappas (1958-1967 2-time all-star) that maybe
he could get a little more for Robby. When he suggested Pappas AND Jim
McGlothlin (1967 one-year wonder) you responded by offering Pappas OR
McGlothlin. His offer was reasonable and yours was not. So please let's not
try to perpetuate the idea any longer that he "balked" at a reasonable
offer.
Anyway, I checked out the history of the real-life trade and from what I
pieced together it was very interesting. Days before the trade the Orioles
sent Jackie Brandt to PHN for Jack Baldschun ( a nice reliever who probably
will go in the 3rd round of the 1965 pre SMILEY draft) and sent Norm
Siebern to California for Dick Simpson. They then sent Pappas, Simpson, and
Baldschun to the Reds for Robinson. It most definitely was not Pappas for
Robinson straight up.
What's done is done however and Baltimore's and Cincy's loss is the
league's gain. Robinson and Pappas will go in the top 4 and it made the
draft probably as strong as any we'll see in PreSMILEY.
Now Larry, as far as Texas goes I would think that they are in a wonderful
position to benefit from claims and the DAR.There were alot of "name"
players passing through Texas in the late 70s for sure. Zisk, Oliver, C
Washington, Bonds, Staub, Horton, Matlack, Alexander, Ellis, and Medich to
name a few off-hand. You can't convince me with your "woe is me" statement.
Although we disagree on most things I do consider you to be a very savvy GM
in both leagues, except for the previously discussed mis-step on the
Robinson deal. I will admit though that without the trading of draft picks
(!) and the with the ability to "claim" it does change the trading
landscape quite a bit so I may be a little out of step with SMILEY which is
why I posted the "opinion" disclaimer to start this message.
Regards,
Steve
SMILEY Cardinals
Pre-SMILEY Tigers and Mets
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cupp
To: SmileyList@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 6:07 PM
Subject: [SmileyList] Trade reasons
The Rangers lose Burroughs (who has stunk for us so far in Smiley) at the
end of 1976. In 77 he goes to the Braves. The actual ML trade on December
9, 1976 was Burroughs for Ken Henderson, Dave May, Carl Morton, Roger
Moret, and Adrian Devine. In 1977 Texas had their best record in history
94-68. We won't have another chance to contend until 1996 when the Rangers
were 92-70 in real life. So with the Smiley Braves only owning Devine and
Morton and Morton retiring after the 1976 season, this was the best we
could do. In PreSmiley I tried to make the Pappas for Frank Robinson deal,
but the other owner balked and now we can stuff both of those guys, you
know where. Devine will give us 106 useful innings next year and Burroughs
goes to the other league. When you have a poor franchise like this one,
you aim for certain years when you can take a shot.
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