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104 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Draft Order Ideas
105 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
106 Sep 7, 2003   Barry Davis   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
107 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   BTW
108 Sep 7, 2003   Alan Boodman   the team draft continues (eventually)
109 Sep 7, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Where's RESCIGNO?
110 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Serpentine Dratt?
111 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Serpentine Dratt?
112 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
113 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
114 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
115 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
116 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
117 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
118 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   test
119 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   team draft continues.... now
120 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
121 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
122 Sep 8, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
123 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Tom Austad is now up
124 Sep 8, 2003   PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com   New poll for PreSmiley
125 Sep 8, 2003   Steve Dewing   Alan, please check your e-mail
126 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   relievers & HAL
127 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: New poll for PreSmiley
128 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Alan, please check your e-mail
129 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: New poll for PreSmiley
130 Sep 8, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: Tom Austad is now up
131 Sep 8, 2003   Steve Dewing   SteveD takes DETROIT
132 Sep 8, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: [PreSmiley] SteveD takes DETROIT
133 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Here's the complete list
134 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   web page updated
135 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: web page updated
136 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: web page updated
137 Sep 8, 2003   Rick Ramacier   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Tom Austad is now up
138 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Cubs fringe cuts
139 Sep 9, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Cubs fringe cuts - Orioles
140 Sep 9, 2003   Larry Cupp   Redleg cuts.
141 Sep 9, 2003   Michael Tomeo   RE: [PreSmiley] A's cuts
142 Sep 9, 2003   Rick Ramacier   Re: [PreSmiley] Twins fringe cuts
143 Sep 9, 2003   Barry Davis   Atlanta Fringe Players
144 Sep 10, 2003   Steve Dewing   Can we decide draft tie-breakers now?
145 Sep 10, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Can we decide draft tie-breakers now?
146 Sep 11, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 files have been updated
147 Sep 11, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: 1967 files have been updated
148 Sep 11, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: 1967 files have been updated
149 Sep 11, 2003   Alan Boodman   another scheduling issue
150 Sep 11, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   White Sox cuts
151 Sep 11, 2003   Thomas Austad   Draft
152 Sep 11, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Draft
153 Sep 11, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Pirates cuts
154 Sep 12, 2003   Steve Dewing   DETROIT cuts
155 Sep 12, 2003   Larry Cupp   No cuts
156 Sep 12, 2003   Darren Dawson   SF fringe cuts
157 Sep 13, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] No cuts
158 Sep 13, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] No cuts
159 Sep 14, 2003   Michael Rescigno   Cardinals Cuts
160 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 fringe cuts
161 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   votes are still open
162 Sep 14, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Questions regarding two-carded players
163 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Questions regarding two-carded players
164 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   If I were the NY Mets GM/owner...
165 Sep 14, 2003   Christopher Colucci   Mets Pick
166 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Mets Pick
167 Sep 14, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   draft order list
168 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: draft order list
169 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   draft order ties in subsequent rounds
170 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   computer manager lineup question
171 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] draft order ties in subsequent rounds
172 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] computer manager lineup question
173 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Questions regarding two-carded players
174 Sep 14, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Mets Pick
175 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Mets Pick
176 Sep 14, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Mets Pick
177 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Mets Pick
178 Sep 14, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Mets Pick
179 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Bivens   Washington Senator Fringe cuts
180 Sep 15, 2003   Michael Tomeo   Kansas City picks....
181 Sep 15, 2003   Steve Dewing   Where's Billy Vanson?????
182 Sep 15, 2003   Billy Vanson   Re: [PreSmiley] Where's Billy Vanson?????
183 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 files updated
184 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   draft page is up
185 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: NY Yankees selection
186 Sep 15, 2003   Billy Vanson   NY Yankees selection
187 Sep 15, 2003   Steve Dewing   Where's Dave Jackson????
188 Sep 15, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] draft page is up
189 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] draft page is up
190 Sep 15, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Where's Dave Jackson????
191 Sep 16, 2003   Dave Jackson   RE: [PreSmiley] Where's Dave Jackson????
192 Sep 16, 2003   Dave Jackson   RE: [PreSmiley] Where's Dave Jackson????
193 Sep 16, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Where's Dave Jackson????
194 Sep 16, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 draft begins; Orioles are on the clock
195 Sep 16, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] 1967 draft begins; Orioles are on the clock
196 Sep 16, 2003   Alan Boodman   Pirates are on the clock
197 Sep 16, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Where's Dave Jackson????
198 Sep 16, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Where's Dave Jackson????
199 Sep 16, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Buccos pick
200 Sep 16, 2003   Larry Cupp   Phils pick, "Lets roll"
201 Sep 16, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Buccos pick
202 Sep 16, 2003   Alan Boodman   Cubs pick; White Sox are on the clock
203 Sep 16, 2003   Alan Boodman   To Dennis: e-mail issues
204 Sep 16, 2003   Dave Jackson   Re: Where's Dave Jackson????


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Message #: 104
Message from: Steve Dewing
Sent: Sep 7, 2003
Subject: Draft Order Ideas

With some concerns being noted by some have-nots (those NOT owning
NYA and LAN)I thought it might be a good idea to throw out some ideas
on the order of future drafts so that we can alleviate any concerns
about parity, purity, tanking, and cheating.

BEFORE I START I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION
SHOULD BE GIVEN TO USING THE REAL-LIFE RECORDS OF OUR TEAMS AS THE
BASIS IN DETERMING DRAFT ORDER. This would completely eliminate any
incentive to "tank". As with any system there will always be
inequities but in general the teams with HOF rookies on the way are
the better won/loss teams. This would address concerns of managers of
the have-nots who would continually face an uphill battle to keep up.

PARITY - we all want to have some chance of competing

PURITY - how close can we maintain a "flavor" of the real-life teams
without seriously effecting PARITY

TANKING - nobody wants this

CHEATING - NOBODY wants this. Anybody who whould cheat (for any
reason) is a mental case. This is a GAME and only a game. I'm only
mentioning this because in certain draft schemes it is a factor.

I'll lay out some options and their advantages/disadvantages.

STRAIGHT W/L - This traditional method is too flawed for
consideration, serious incentive to TANK.

STRAIGHT LOTTERY (each team getting one chance)- status quo is
maintained, no tanking, and no attempt at parity.Also, probably no
one would trade a number one pick because it's value would vary so
widely.
Each team has a 6.2% of getting the top pick

WEIGHTED LOTTERY (the best w/l getting 1 chance, the 2nd best getting
2 chances, and so on.) We still don't know for sure who gets what
pick, there is a minor incentive to tank, and still no incentive to
cheat.
The worst team has an 11.8% chance of getting the #1 pick
The worst three teams have a 33.1% chance of getting #1

The best three teams have a 4.4% chance of getting #1 pick
The best team has a 0.7% chance of getting the #1 pick

WEIGHTED LOTTERY ALTERNATE (the best w/l has 5 chances, the 2nd best
has 6 chances, and so on.) This of course is similar to the above but
the numbers change slightly.

The worst team has a 10% chance of getting #1
The worst three teams have a 28.5% chance of getting #1

The three best teams have a 9.0% chance of getting #1
The best teams has a 2.5% chance of getting #1

The last option I believe achieves the proper balancing of attempting
PARITY and limiting the incentive to TANK.

There you go.

SteveD

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