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27 Sep 3, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] PROPOSAL: opinions wanted
28 Sep 3, 2003   Michael Tomeo   RE: [PreSmiley] PROPOSAL: opinions wanted
29 Sep 4, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: PROPOSAL: opinions wanted
30 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   big news
31 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] big news
32 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 draft
33 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   and yet another clarification
34 Sep 4, 2003   Steve Dewing   Rookie List
35 Sep 4, 2003   Steve Dewing   WAA ownership? and draft order ties
36 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Rookie List
37 Sep 4, 2003   Billy Vanson   Re: [PreSmiley] Rookie List
38 Sep 4, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Rookie List
39 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Rookie List
40 Sep 4, 2003   Billy Vanson   Re: [PreSmiley] Rookie List
41 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] WAA ownership? and draft order ties
42 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   lottery reminder
43 Sep 4, 2003   Steve Dewing   Just so you know.....
44 Sep 4, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: [PreSmiley] Rookie List
45 Sep 4, 2003   Alan Boodman   team selection order
46 Sep 4, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Re: team selection order
47 Sep 4, 2003   Dave Jackson   Re: team selection order
48 Sep 5, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Re: team selection order
49 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   rookies page
50 Sep 5, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: rookies page
51 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: rookies page
52 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   need ballpark effects
53 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   2 more teams have been taken
54 Sep 5, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] need ballpark effects
55 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: need ballpark effects
56 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   SuperHAL logic lines
57 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   2 more teams picked.... Mike Rescigno is up
58 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: 2 more teams picked.... Mike Rescigno is up
59 Sep 5, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: 2 more teams picked.... Mike Rescigno is up
60 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: 2 more teams picked.... Mike Rescigno is up
61 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Tom I'll trade
62 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: 2 more teams picked.... Mike Rescigno is up
63 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   WAA draft picker?
64 Sep 5, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: need ballpark effects
65 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: need ballpark effects
66 Sep 5, 2003   PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com   New poll for PreSmiley
67 Sep 5, 2003   PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com   New poll for PreSmiley
68 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   if you already voted.....
69 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   TRADING DEADLINE and AUTOPLAY
70 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   vote YES for "FIELDING RATING TRANSFERABILITY"
71 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   think of the your children!!!!
72 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] TRADING DEADLINE and AUTOPLAY
73 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Where's RESCIGNO?
74 Sep 5, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Where's RESCIGNO?
75 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Where's RESCIGNO?
76 Sep 5, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Where's RESCIGNO?
77 Sep 5, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] if you already voted.....
78 Sep 5, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] if you already voted.....
79 Sep 5, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] if you already voted.....
80 Sep 5, 2003   Larry Cupp   Choices
81 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: think of your children!!!!
82 Sep 5, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: think of your children!!!!
83 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   All 16 teams will be owned!
84 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: All 16 teams will be owned!
85 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   votes and 1966+ draft order
86 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   To those who haven't voted
87 Sep 6, 2003   Thomas Austad   The future (history?) of Pre-Smiley
88 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] The future (history?) of Pre-Smiley
89 Sep 6, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: The future (history?) of Pre-Smiley
90 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: Re: The future (history?) of Pre-Smiley
91 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
92 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
93 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
94 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
95 Sep 6, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: The future (history?) of Pre-Smiley
96 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   Rescigno takes PHN
97 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   PHN selects Lee Bales, the switch-hitter from Los Angeles, CA
98 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   but seriously folks....
99 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] but seriously folks....
100 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: but seriously folks....
101 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Bivens   Poll
102 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
103 Sep 7, 2003   Barry Davis   Re: [PreSmiley] Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
104 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Draft Order Ideas
105 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
106 Sep 7, 2003   Barry Davis   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
107 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   BTW
108 Sep 7, 2003   Alan Boodman   the team draft continues (eventually)
109 Sep 7, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Where's RESCIGNO?
110 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Serpentine Dratt?
111 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Serpentine Dratt?
112 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
113 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
114 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
115 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
116 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
117 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
118 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   test
119 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   team draft continues.... now
120 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
121 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
122 Sep 8, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
123 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Tom Austad is now up
124 Sep 8, 2003   PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com   New poll for PreSmiley
125 Sep 8, 2003   Steve Dewing   Alan, please check your e-mail
126 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   relievers & HAL
127 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: New poll for PreSmiley


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Message #: 27
Message from: Alan Boodman
Sent: Sep 3, 2003
Subject: Re: [PreSmiley] PROPOSAL: opinions wanted

Steve volunteered to do the work, so that's not a factor.
 
I have no problem with this plan as long as the threshholds are sufficiently high, especially for players who move leftward on the defensive spectrum.  I don't think I want to see Ernie Banks at shortstop in 1967 (unless I get the Cubs, and probably not even then :-)
 
Alan
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [PreSmiley] PROPOSAL: opinions wanted


I am in favor of this as well, as long as it isn't something that would be of great difficulty for Alan. I don't think it would affect too many players either, but it would be nice in certain situations and more realistic.

Tom


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From: steve dewing <dewing19@...>
Reply-To: PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com
Date:  Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT)

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>Hello fellow pre-SMILEY owners:
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>My name is Steve Dewing and I'm ready to play some ball.  I'm looking forward to the friendly competition that pre-SMILEY will offer.
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>There is an issue that caught my eye from scouting out the 1967 teams and also from observing a couple of situations in SMILEY. It happens when players get locked into positional situations (via draft, trades, rookies) and are either forced onto the bench or into the trade market. I have discussed this Alan and he's open to discussion on the matter.
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>Let's say for example Jim Fregosi is available to draft. Jim's one of the better shortstops of the 60's, a real solid player.
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>Now let's say the owner of the Tigers, recognizing a player of Fregosi's skill, is amazed that no  one has picked him and it's third round. Not likely, but stick with me. Of course in  a real life situation it would be a no-brainer. However, looking ahead the owner sees that, for whatever reason, Dick McAuliffe - the regular second basemen in 1967 and 1966, spent all of 1964 and 1965 at shortstop.  Now in reality given that situation Fregosi would be drafted , put at SS, and McAuliffe to 2nd base.
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>Given the present SMILEY rules, if the Tigers drafted Fregosi and 1965 came around they would have to split time or one would have to be traded. That's all good and fine because we all have the ability to look ahead see potential conflicts. However I feel one of the special things about SMILEY is that continuity of player retention leaves each team always bearing some resemblance to their real-life counterparts. I'll feel that without some creativity on our parts that such situations (and there are several examples in SMILEY) stifle the ability to manage our teams but can lead to situations where fine players (such as Fregosi and McAuliffe) can get stuck into situations where can't get anywhere near the at-bats that they had in real life.
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>1)       allow players to play a position that they played previously or after the year in question. This rating would the lower range/error/arm rating  if they played both years at another  position.(i.e. Richie Allen (one of 1967's top free agents) played OF for 47 games in 1966, and 139 games n the OF in 1968. He would be allowed to play OF for pre-SMILEY at the lower of the two season's ratings.
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>2)       A threshold of games played at other positions must be met to qualify. This would be determined by agreement of all of us. I have attached a spreadsheet to shows the players involved and how their numbers would be affected by differing thresholds.
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>3)       I did the research on this info. It only took me about an hour. I would be willing research the next several seasons and share this with everybody. So nobody will be put out by this. I could then make the changes to the players in Strat, and give them to Alan for distribution.
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>     In conclusion it may be a small matter and may not effect that many players but I believe it will give the managers a little flexibility, will not effect realism in any substantial way, is easy to do, would impart no advantage if implemented now (since we don't know our teams or draft order)and hopefully could avoid situations where quality players would have to sit on the bench or owners would be forced into a trade.
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>Thanks for listening. Please take a look at the file and tell me what you think (good or bad)
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