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91 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
92 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
93 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
94 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order
95 Sep 6, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: The future (history?) of Pre-Smiley
96 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   Rescigno takes PHN
97 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   PHN selects Lee Bales, the switch-hitter from Los Angeles, CA
98 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   but seriously folks....
99 Sep 6, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] but seriously folks....
100 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: but seriously folks....
101 Sep 6, 2003   Steve Bivens   Poll
102 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
103 Sep 7, 2003   Barry Davis   Re: [PreSmiley] Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
104 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Draft Order Ideas
105 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
106 Sep 7, 2003   Barry Davis   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Deeper Draft? Fact or Fiction?
107 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   BTW
108 Sep 7, 2003   Alan Boodman   the team draft continues (eventually)
109 Sep 7, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Where's RESCIGNO?
110 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Serpentine Dratt?
111 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Serpentine Dratt?
112 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
113 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
114 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
115 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
116 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Serpentine Dratt?
117 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Bivens   RE: [PreSmiley] Re: Serpentine Dratt?
118 Sep 7, 2003   Steve Dewing   test
119 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   team draft continues.... now
120 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
121 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
122 Sep 8, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Jon Fellows picks the Chicago White Sox
123 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Tom Austad is now up
124 Sep 8, 2003   PreSmiley@yahoogroups.com   New poll for PreSmiley
125 Sep 8, 2003   Steve Dewing   Alan, please check your e-mail
126 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   relievers & HAL
127 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: New poll for PreSmiley
128 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Alan, please check your e-mail
129 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: New poll for PreSmiley
130 Sep 8, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: Tom Austad is now up
131 Sep 8, 2003   Steve Dewing   SteveD takes DETROIT
132 Sep 8, 2003   Thomas Austad   Re: [PreSmiley] SteveD takes DETROIT
133 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Here's the complete list
134 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   web page updated
135 Sep 8, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: web page updated
136 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: web page updated
137 Sep 8, 2003   Rick Ramacier   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Tom Austad is now up
138 Sep 8, 2003   Alan Boodman   Cubs fringe cuts
139 Sep 9, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Cubs fringe cuts - Orioles
140 Sep 9, 2003   Larry Cupp   Redleg cuts.
141 Sep 9, 2003   Michael Tomeo   RE: [PreSmiley] A's cuts
142 Sep 9, 2003   Rick Ramacier   Re: [PreSmiley] Twins fringe cuts
143 Sep 9, 2003   Barry Davis   Atlanta Fringe Players
144 Sep 10, 2003   Steve Dewing   Can we decide draft tie-breakers now?
145 Sep 10, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Can we decide draft tie-breakers now?
146 Sep 11, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 files have been updated
147 Sep 11, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Re: 1967 files have been updated
148 Sep 11, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: 1967 files have been updated
149 Sep 11, 2003   Alan Boodman   another scheduling issue
150 Sep 11, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   White Sox cuts
151 Sep 11, 2003   Thomas Austad   Draft
152 Sep 11, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Draft
153 Sep 11, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   Pirates cuts
154 Sep 12, 2003   Steve Dewing   DETROIT cuts
155 Sep 12, 2003   Larry Cupp   No cuts
156 Sep 12, 2003   Darren Dawson   SF fringe cuts
157 Sep 13, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] No cuts
158 Sep 13, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] No cuts
159 Sep 14, 2003   Michael Rescigno   Cardinals Cuts
160 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 fringe cuts
161 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   votes are still open
162 Sep 14, 2003   Jonathan Fellows   Questions regarding two-carded players
163 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Questions regarding two-carded players
164 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   If I were the NY Mets GM/owner...
165 Sep 14, 2003   Christopher Colucci   Mets Pick
166 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Mets Pick
167 Sep 14, 2003   Dennis Van Langen   draft order list
168 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: draft order list
169 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   draft order ties in subsequent rounds
170 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   computer manager lineup question
171 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] draft order ties in subsequent rounds
172 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] computer manager lineup question
173 Sep 14, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] Questions regarding two-carded players
174 Sep 14, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Mets Pick
175 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Mets Pick
176 Sep 14, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Mets Pick
177 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Dewing   Re: Mets Pick
178 Sep 14, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] Re: Mets Pick
179 Sep 14, 2003   Steve Bivens   Washington Senator Fringe cuts
180 Sep 15, 2003   Michael Tomeo   Kansas City picks....
181 Sep 15, 2003   Steve Dewing   Where's Billy Vanson?????
182 Sep 15, 2003   Billy Vanson   Re: [PreSmiley] Where's Billy Vanson?????
183 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   1967 files updated
184 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   draft page is up
185 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: NY Yankees selection
186 Sep 15, 2003   Billy Vanson   NY Yankees selection
187 Sep 15, 2003   Steve Dewing   Where's Dave Jackson????
188 Sep 15, 2003   Larry Cupp   Re: [PreSmiley] draft page is up
189 Sep 15, 2003   Alan Boodman   Re: [PreSmiley] draft page is up
190 Sep 15, 2003   Gary Dewing   Re: [PreSmiley] Where's Dave Jackson????
191 Sep 16, 2003   Dave Jackson   RE: [PreSmiley] Where's Dave Jackson????


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Message #: 91
Message from: Steve Bivens
Sent: Sep 6, 2003
Subject: RE: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order

I have a couple of questions:
 
Where do I go to vote?
Is there a manager list somewhere so I know who they are?  I am not familiar with all the nicknames.
 
Steve B.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Boodman [mailto:alan.boodman@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:30 AM
To: PreSmiley
Subject: [PreSmiley] votes and 1966+ draft order

With 12 votes in so far, "Less Autoplay" has clinched a resounding victory over "More Autoplay", so when the schedule is created there will be somewhere in the vicinity of 54 games of autoplay, not 81.
 
On the fielding issue, "Adopt" (at one threshold or the other) is running neck and neck with "Don't Adopt"; they have 6 votes each.
 
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Regarding the 1966 draft order and all years beyond that, I have decided to remove the 3-4-5-6.... order from consideration, primarily because it would hurt the weaker teams too much, and also (not that I expect this would actually happen) because I would prefer not to see anyone "targeting" the third best record - as opposed to first or second - in a year where somebody like Babe Ruth is in the draft pool.
 
That leaves two nearly-identical options: a completely random order or an ALMOST completely random order, where we stick the two league champions in slots #15 and #16 before randomizing the remainder.  With a nod towards that small amount of "class envy", we'll take the latter approach, and I hope that will not lead to teams deliberately NOT making it to the World Series just to avoid a poor draft slot.  :-)
 
I realize there is some sentiment for adding gimmicks such as "make sure the worst 'x' teams draft no lower than...", however that (or any similar scheme) opens the door for teams to improve their draft position by losing, which defeats one of the main points of doing things the way we are.  It was clearly stated on the web page from the very beginning that a random draft order would be used - or that 3-4-5-6.... thing which wound have been even harder on the weak teams - so while we sympathize with the weaker teams (and, over time, we will all BE one of the weaker teams* at some point), I trust that everyone understands the reasoning here.
 
Alan
 
 
* except for the Yankees :-)
 
 
 
 


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